Open 646 - Semi Nightless - Game Over (D6)

[Transcend]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=67015

me defending the s*** out of gyrlander who was a deliberate troll who brought nothing to the game. I still townread him and defended him to get SCUM lynched.

[Transcend]

oh and also if for whatever reason you wanna axe me from the block, that's fine. i'm sure you can take 3 shots and hit one duck even if i'm one of those shots.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Well, yeah, you've said that, but the thing is I'm noticing a difference between how you're defending Tenshii vs. Shotty. You've pretty much just said that Tenshii is a tonal townread and you've focused more on pushing Rosske. You seemed almost annoyed that Shotty was being scumread and there was a lot more fire to how you were defending him than Tenshii.

Everyone can be meta'd imo but meta'ing sucks anyway

oh fuck i forgot about that game i should read it too

[Transcend]

pretty sure my intentions that game were to not scumread shotty due to him being null. i don't think i ever announced a townread on him. don't screw up my words now buddy

[gigabyteTroubadour]

well that just makes it weirder

you're defending a nullread?? why... if someone is null to you then there's not much of a reason to defend them that hard... just from that post i had assumed he was a townread of yours, it really seemed like you

knew

he was town...

i've shifted gears to that newbie, i've only skimmed through sonia's ISO and bits of the Gyrlander vs Performer/Replacement wagons.

[Thor665]

Two people have straight up claimed that this game does not match meta analysis of his scum v. town play.
You don't wanna weigh in on that and would rather vote the slot?

I don't think you can meta a player with only 140 posts on this site in all honesty.

I disagree - I would perhaps agree with, you can't meta them with the same accuracy of someone with a larger pile of evidence to draw from.
But he does have two completed games now (I guess, when I did it I drew from a non-complete albeit Rosske's part was complete).
One looks like this game.
One does not look anything like this game.

Isn't that telling?

So? I'm just going to read his alignment like I have been for everyone else (besides Phantom), and I think he's the scummiest slot alive. Obviously my reads aren't going to be perfect, but my short list is pretty much down to {Rosske, Tenshii}.

What makes him the scummiest slot alive?
What has he done that is scummy, and what was his plan?
PEdit - maybe this doesn't matter now.

It's usually a town thing to do that, right? But at the same time, he completely misrepresented Transcend to justify his push on him.

Yeah, that's a bothersome niggle - but since my playstyle as town is to often lynch people who do that sort of stuff, I can assure you it's a spotty scumtell.

I just hope you understand why I'm so pissed when not one single lynch I've wanted has gained more than half the amount of votes needed to be lynched. Makes me feel kinda ~useless~.

You can't change the way you play, bra!

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I disagree - I would perhaps agree with, you can't meta them with the same accuracy of someone with a larger pile of evidence to draw from.
But he does have two completed games now (I guess, when I did it I drew from a non-complete albeit Rosske's part was complete).
One looks like this game.
One does not look anything like this game.

Isn't that telling?

Not really, like I said I think that newbie game was a special circumstance. Making longer posts, waiting to vote, and not really changing stances that quickly seem like things one would do if they replaced into a game and are catching up. Rosske has been here from the beginning, there's not much of a need for that. I would probably want a completed scum game from start to finish to discuss

When I have a clearer head I might try to have a better stance on this, but for now I'm still OK with lynching Tenshii but I'm not confident about it. Besides Karnos, I'm feeling much better about my townreads this game than I do my scumreads.

[Rosske]

gigabyte finding reasons to discredit my meta is scummy.

[Wingback]

gigabyte finding reasons to discredit my meta is scummy.

Could you answer the question I asked earlier? If you pop up from time to time with random comments without any care about going through the thread, and engaging with the content, you're likely going to wind up lynched and it would probably even be for the best. If you're town here, it would help a lot to actually participate.

[Rosske]

The problem is I don't have multiple strong scum reads. Transcend I feel pretty good about. Maybe giga? I'm not sure. I'm struggling this game a lot and that's probably why scum are pushing me. I look like an easy mislynch.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i mean it makes sense you don't have multiple scumreads, there's only one mafioso left

Can you walk me through your scumread of me

[gigabyteTroubadour]

also why do you think Io was killed?

[tojam2]

VC Day 4 - 6

Transcend L-3 - Rosske
Rosske L-3 - Transcend
Tenshii L-2 - Thor665, gigabyteTroubadour
Thor665 L-3 - Tenshii

(expired on 2016-08-29 09:30:00)

No new votes.

[Rosske]

I feel like IF transcend is town, he's playing very destructively, and scum could likely use that to fuel their own anti-town motives, and I feel like you're most likely to be guilty of that.

I think Io could have been killed by defensive scum. A scum who's worried about people being on their trail could kill a neutral, middle of the road player like Io in order to reveal as little as possible about their identity. It also could have been done to frame Thor, seeing as people immediately questioned why he wasn't the target.

[Transcend]

I admit I've been used by scum before as ammunition to lead the game to a loss because I tend to death tunnel people and if I'm wrong it's basically a free win for them.

[Transcend]

See: Diffusion of Power, me tunneling the s*** of Ranger (vice versa) and losing the game!!!!!!!!!! Hardcore!!!!!!!!!!

[Transcend]

Didn't mean to curse sorry

[Thor665]

gigabyte finding reasons to discredit my meta is scummy.

You discrediting Gigabyte's analysis is scummy.
Me discrediting your discredit is scummy.

No - Gigabyte's issues with your meta clear are concise, clear, and very valid points - it is not scummy at all.
You not actually discussing the reasoning behind Wing and me rough clearing you is vastly more scummy than what Giga is doing.
Why aren't you discussing your meta?

I look like an easy mislynch.

You are an easy lynch.
Could you do something about that?

I feel like IF transcend is town, he's playing very destructively, and scum could likely use that to fuel their own anti-town motives, and I feel like you're most likely to be guilty of that.

Does that jive with his interactions with Karnos? You think that looks like a bus?

I admit I've been used by scum before as ammunition to lead the game to a loss because I tend to death tunnel people and if I'm wrong it's basically a free win for them.

You can't change the way you play bra!

[Transcend]

Still think Rosske being capped is what needs to happen.

Still think tenshii and giga are lock town.

This might be a subtle Prodge, might not be.

I'd be fine lynched myself if i knew that Rosske and mhsmith would kick the bucket in the form of a lynch.

[Transcend]

Oh yeah and wing is lock town too. Luna was a weirdo but I've concluded that i just didn't like their playstyle and was more prone to find their motives weird.

The thor / tenshii spat feels tvt but if one person in that duo is scum, it's thor. But I'd lynch ross and smith before touching thor. Which likely means I'll have to give a congratulatory hand shake to him if he's scum since i can't see him lynched here.

[mhsmith0]

What about tenshii v Thor feels t/t? Is that a reinforcement of your reads there, or is it the spat in particular that feels that way? If the latter, why?

[Transcend]

Combo of both. I think their pushes are both town motivated but just wrong. While I've had tenshii as town all game, and thor as lean town for a few days now.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I've been thinking, Transcend is probably the one who gains the least from killing Io over Thor.

Killing Io while scum isn't Thor or Tenshii implies that Tenshii is being set up for a mislynch. But Transcend has been doing everything to keep Tenshii alive and is townreading him. I think that scum!Transcend would be trying to buddy Tenshii and lower his risk of dying by killing Thor.

[mhsmith0]

@Rosske:
So the only time you spoke to karnos in-thread was to ask him

Karnos, why aren't you voting for Thor?

karnos responded with

Karnos, why aren't you voting for Thor?

Because that would require unvoting Io.

your later comments on the subject were

it looked to me Karnos was pushing Thor harder then Io, but voting Io, and that didn't make sense to me. So I asked.

Transcend, when did I contradict myself?

okay so actually after all that
VOTE: Io

So what in karnos's responses to you, or everyone else's discussion, convinced you that Io was a better vote than karnos or Thor?

[Thor665]

@Giga - Outside of scum Rosske I could guardedly agree that scum Transcend would theory gain the least by an Io kill.

@mhsmith - I actually like that you're digging at motive there, but after he answers I'll be very interested to see what you think you might have exposed even if he doesn't trigger it - because it looks like you're bum rushing a wall.