Newbie 1735 - Banana Split (Game Over!)

[Accountant]

Don't think so. Newbscum enacting the "whine act" are usually terrified of being tied to their partner, and certainly wouldn't bring their partner into it for no good reason. I personally am not a fan on speculating on associatives preflip.

[JaeReed]

@copper Yeah, 35 was actually decent which made me question if GM might be trying to deliberately draw associates between them. Either way I can't see a reason for GM to have completely avoided pressuring the slot as town.

[JaeReed]

Don't think so. Newbscum enacting the "whine act" are usually terrified of being tied to their partner, and certainly wouldn't bring their partner into it for no good reason. I personally am not a fan on speculating on associatives preflip.

Noted. The issue I have with it is GM's lack of interaction with it, though. The only thing was a joke about buddying. The whine act should have been called out.

[copper223]

@Accountant
I don't think it's likely that Jae got it right, my point there is I can see them reaching that conclusion as town.

If you read scum_Jae in the fallout game they are often asking for approval about what they post and how the rest of the players feel about this and that, here they take a hard stance on the IC and call the scum team on page 5, there are some other town-tells I picked up on that I'm keeping for myself as well.

@all
Since this is a newbie, in general it's true that it's not a good idea to make pre-flip associations as it can easily lead to confirmation bias.

[Accountant]

What serious discussion was it in the middle of? I don't agree that there was such a discussion going on. If there had been serious discussion going on, I wouldn't have said "I think it is time to try and analyze the most important thing we have available to us so far:" because 1.) the "I think it is time" wouldn't be accurate in the middle of a serious discussion so I wouldn't want confuse things by saying this and, 2.) I'd be talking about the content of the serious discussion instead of amusing myself with some meaningless flavor-talk.

Two posts before the joke post, JaeReed was talking about how he finds GM suspicious for going soft on Asty. He was very seriously pushing her, and still is, for that. Why didn't you count this as serious discussion?

And now you're rephrasing things by saying I'm "new to...the playstyle and methods of this site...[because my] earlier ideas about No Lynch [were] one manifestation of this" which is not true at all and something I thought I made clear (I wasn't purporting no-lynch for this game! AND where I'm from also holds the same general view on no-lynch.)

And now it seems to me you're essentially saying "if you don't agree with the general policy about D1 no-lynch held here on this site, then your opinion/viewpoint on it are simply not going to be taken seriously or considered by me" or something similar, and that is a problem and scummy, to me, regardless that you're not actually taking issue with my no-lynch stance in this game.

*sigh*

This is not true.

At the time I wrote my explanatory post, the only things I knew about you were that you had played a bastard game and that you were new to the way the site operated. I knew the first from your own admission; the second from your ideas about No Lynch(which, despite their merit, are unarguably contrary to site meta). Therefore, it's not unreasonable to think that you might have seriously thought the banana split was significant.

[JaeReed]

Hello all, I am your lovely newbie. I am expected to make you bash your head on the keyboard, particularly in the context of the results of my terrible intuition which will lead to innocent deaths. Towards the pursuit of that goal, I will answer all your questions with dubious, imprecise answers making me look incredibly guilty although i'm only a just a terrified, lost newcomer. (copyright goodmorning)

So yeah, i'm a newbie I'm familiar with the mechanics of the game and i've played quite a few of irl ones, but never on a forum and i'm no expert of the live one anyways. My native language isn't english so please excuse me if i have some trouble expressing myself.

And now, as i understand, random voting is kind of the tradition around here, so

VOTE: drealmerz7

@Ast:
1. yesssss
2. I couldn't tell about the English at all.
3.

but are you buddying me?????? omg

Ok, so if anyone can make sense of point 1 without it pointing to scumbuddies I obviously need to hear it.

[JaeReed]

Hello all, I am your lovely newbie. I am expected to make you bash your head on the keyboard,

particularly in the context of the results of my terrible intuition which will lead to innocent deaths

. Towards the pursuit of that goal,

I will answer all your questions with dubious, imprecise answers making me look incredibly guilty although i'm only a just a terrified, lost newcomer

. (copyright goodmorning)

In that case, let's move things along...

VOTE: staplertowel.

I'm sure that will be looked favorably upon!

So, all the bolded stuff? GM didn't pick out Asty's stuff, but did throw shade at drealmer's thing (without a vote, which is an issue but ehhh ok we'll argue that GM doesn't change votes or didn't want to scare off the newbie so that's NAI).

My issue is, if you're not going to nitpick at wording, then you don't point out drealmer's thing. If you

are

going to nitpick at wording then you don't

ignore

Asty's thing.

I believe GM is deliberately not drawing attention to some things while focusing on others.

[drealmerz7]

Two posts before the joke post, JaeReed was talking about how he finds GM suspicious for going soft on Asty. He was very seriously pushing her, and still is, for that. Why didn't you count this as serious discussion?

I wasn't in the middle of it/partaking in that discussion at all, and even so, what about having multiple things going on at once? Harmless post is harmless post, no matter what is going on around it, as it shouldn't distract from real meaningful conversation unless scum try to make it do so, imo. To me, it was the perfect time for a post like that. I like to make posts like that to stir things up, get some reactions from people, see if I can generate reads from it. The fact that you're making it an issue that I posted it indicates to me you're possible scum making something out of nothing.

[drealmerz7]

...it's not unreasonable to think that you might have seriously thought the banana split was significant.

I just can't read this and keep a serious face. I can't see anyone really sitting there and going "hmmm, this guy is trying to analyze the banana split picture, I better set him straight!" - I suppose I should appreciate it if it is true, but, I just can't buy it, no matter what you don't know about where I came from and my previous experiences.

Ok, so if anyone can make sense of point 1 without it pointing to scumbuddies I obviously need to hear it.

I read it as enthusiasm for a noob's self-aware entrance, and think it is too early to be making cases on scum-buddies. Sure, it's good to vocally note potential alliances based on certain things, but I think it is best to simply note them and then see if they develop into anything, especially after a wagon or 2.

[goodmorning]

GM/Jae, did 104 catch either of your eyes?

Not really. I think dreal is posting enough real content that a joke, no matter the length or timing, is a humorous aside rather than a real concern.

GM, would it be accurate for me to say that you're scumleaning Jae based on 114?

JUST A BIT.

I see no reason for you to believe I would be so inclined based off our shared game together.

1. The attitude you had towards the game there led me to believe you'd at least be participatory.
2. I tend to expect SEs to come in hot as a matter of course.

1. The attitude where I waited until like page 8 to post because I didn't feel like phone posting and therefore did a bunch of catch up readslists about a day after the game started?
2. I did come in hot. My vote on you was 100% serious in my first post, based off you ignoring a line of questioning that you should have picked up on, pointing out stuff from the newbies which you'd think would have earned a pressure vote then

not voting them

. You pointedly ignored my vote on you, and now you're trying to pretend that I've done nothing because you ignored it?

1. I replaced into that game; let's not pretend I'm going to have an accurate sense of timing about anything before my entrance. Also, when you started participating,

you fucking participated

.
2. I actually honestly missed that post of yours in the midst of a bunch of copper posts. It's got a vote in it but it doesn't say why. You ask me whether I always play cautiously, which - you trust self-meta? It's not any more involved than your other posts.

(Also, that post of mine that you were responding to? I posted at 4am. If you're going to post, you should always post useful content, no matter what the clock says.)

If you'd been paying even a modicum of attention to my posts or copper's you'd realize I haven't drawn scum on this site.

What he said was that you hadn't drawn Scum

in a long time

. That doesn't automatically imply never.

RE: YOU IGNORED A THING OMG: I'll get to that later this post.

That wasn't what I felt GM should have questioned, actually. It was this:

Hello all, I am your lovely newbie. I am expected to make you bash your head on the keyboard, particularly in the context of the results of my terrible intuition which will lead to innocent deaths. Towards the pursuit of that goal, I will answer all your questions with dubious, imprecise answers making me look incredibly guilty although i'm only a just a terrified, lost newcomer. (copyright goodmorning)

Which GM took a

complete

IC role in instead of addressing the potential motivation behind this.

What potential motivation? Looks like a clear self-deprecating RVS joke to me. (Or, to borrow his words: It seemed to me like pre-game banter.)
Unless you're trying to argue that Ast is playing the newb card too much, which - agree, but it's not necessarily indicative at this point in the game. If he keeps doing it (and posting little content), then it'll be a concern.

Either way I can't see a reason for GM to have completely avoided pressuring the slot as town.

1. I'm the IC, and I want to encourage him to play better regardless of his alignment.
2. I'm not a moron.

If you read scum_Jae in the fallout game they are often asking for approval about what they post and how the rest of the players feel about this and that, here they take a hard stance on the IC and call the scum team on page 5, there are some other town-tells I picked up on that I'm keeping for myself as well.

If you're using a bastard marathon game for newbie game meta, you're gonna have a bad time.
(Also: That's what I do as Scum in fast games! This is actually slightly helpful.)

@Ast:
1. yesssss
2. I couldn't tell about the English at all.
3.

but are you buddying me?????? omg

Ok, so if anyone can make sense of point 1 without it pointing to scumbuddies I obviously need to hear it.

Replace 'yesss' with 'lol' or 'hahaha' and you'll have the rough spirit of what was intended. I'm just not really fond of 'lol' and 'hahaha' (except sarcastically). 'omg' frequently serves the purpose as well.

My issue is, if you're not going to nitpick at wording, then you don't point out drealmer's thing. If you

are

going to nitpick at wording then you don't

ignore

Asty's thing.

I believe GM is deliberately not drawing attention to some things while focusing on others.

Actually, the thing I was focusing on with dreal was

the RVS L-2

. I don't give a flying fuck about the other words in that post.

Of course I'm focusing on some things over other things. We're all going to have different ideas about what's important.

@Accountant: You know what's getting in the way of real discussion?

[goodmorning]

And before you try to tell me I have no idea what I'm talking about - this is my 52nd Newbie game. I've seen A LOT OF NEWBS.

[drealmerz7]

goodmorning, your tag says "effort is not indicative of alignment" - is that meant to be in reference to yourself, or a general statement?

[JaeReed]

I see no reason for you to believe I would be so inclined based off our shared game together.

1. The attitude you had towards the game there led me to believe you'd at least be participatory.
2. I tend to expect SEs to come in hot as a matter of course.

1. The attitude where I waited until like page 8 to post because I didn't feel like phone posting and therefore did a bunch of catch up readslists about a day after the game started?
2. I did come in hot. My vote on you was 100% serious in my first post, based off you ignoring a line of questioning that you should have picked up on, pointing out stuff from the newbies which you'd think would have earned a pressure vote then

not voting them

. You pointedly ignored my vote on you, and now you're trying to pretend that I've done nothing because you ignored it?

1. I replaced into that game; let's not pretend I'm going to have an accurate sense of timing about anything before my entrance. Also, when you started participating,

you fucking participated

.
2. I actually honestly missed that post of yours in the midst of a bunch of copper posts. It's got a vote in it but it doesn't say why. You ask me whether I always play cautiously, which - you trust self-meta? It's not any more involved than your other posts.

(Also, that post of mine that you were responding to? I posted at 4am. If you're going to post, you should always post useful content, no matter what the clock says.)

1. I participated in an actual manner beyond readlists

after like 48 hours

. Because, fun fact, I'm BUSY on my weekends. You didn't need to have an accurate timing of anything in that game because you were scum. So let's not pretend like you were even trying to read me beyond "PR/SK/Vanilla" because you weren't.
2. NO. You did NOT miss that post. YOU RESPONDED TO A PART OF IT. If you see "Serious vote" and you don't know why then you

ask

about it. Which is something you should be teaching the newbies, is it not?

I'd argue that I mostly posted useful content there. I responded to copper's enquiries along with providing the game he was talking about. The only actual fluff I posted was my joke to Accountant about no one in this game being insane enough to suggest a no lynch D1, with a link to a mini theme game where I did just that. The rest of the posting at unearthly hours of the morning were my response to copper about our game played together and my link to the fallout shelter game, both pretty much as his request.

If you'd been paying even a modicum of attention to my posts or copper's you'd realize I haven't drawn scum on this site.

What he said was that you hadn't drawn Scum

in a long time

. That doesn't automatically imply never.

Again, wrong. What he said was that I had drawn town left, right and center. It doesn't imply never, but the fact that he asked about where my scum game was implies that I haven't drawn scum on here. You are not reading into the posts. You are not analyzing.

RE: YOU IGNORED A THING OMG: I'll get to that later this post.

That wasn't what I felt GM should have questioned, actually. It was this:

Hello all, I am your lovely newbie. I am expected to make you bash your head on the keyboard, particularly in the context of the results of my terrible intuition which will lead to innocent deaths. Towards the pursuit of that goal, I will answer all your questions with dubious, imprecise answers making me look incredibly guilty although i'm only a just a terrified, lost newcomer. (copyright goodmorning)

Which GM took a

complete

IC role in instead of addressing the potential motivation behind this.

What potential motivation? Looks like a clear self-deprecating RVS joke to me. (Or, to borrow his words: It seemed to me like pre-game banter.)
Unless you're trying to argue that Ast is playing the newb card too much, which - agree, but it's not necessarily indicative at this point in the game. If he keeps doing it (and posting little content), then it'll be a concern.

I'm trying to argue that you should have poked a little bit at it. Specifically "results of my terrible intuition which will lead to innocent deaths." and "dubious, impresice answers making me look incredibly guilty" or hell even a bit more of a push over the "copyright goodmorning" bit rather than the stresses you went through to make sure it wasn't seen as an actual FOS.

Either way I can't see a reason for GM to have completely avoided pressuring the slot as town.

1. I'm the IC, and I want to encourage him to play better regardless of his alignment.
2. I'm not a moron.

1. Okay, but you're not encouraging him to play better by ignoring the issue. If you were truly trying to encourage him to play better than the discussion we would be having right now would be whether you're coaching rather than ignoring a slot. Which is something I'd be a little more hesitant over with regards to the IC.
2. Okay, so if you hadn't posted by that stage I would have voted him for it. Why would you believe I'm a moron?

If you read scum_Jae in the fallout game they are often asking for approval about what they post and how the rest of the players feel about this and that, here they take a hard stance on the IC and call the scum team on page 5, there are some other town-tells I picked up on that I'm keeping for myself as well.

If you're using a bastard marathon game for newbie game meta, you're gonna have a bad time.
(Also: That's what I do as Scum in fast games! This is actually slightly helpful.)

He's not using the meta so much as the tone, I think. Which you should know about, as a self-proclaimed tone-reader. Like...If I had the ability to dayvig here...

@Ast:
1. yesssss
2. I couldn't tell about the English at all.
3.

but are you buddying me?????? omg

Ok, so if anyone can make sense of point 1 without it pointing to scumbuddies I obviously need to hear it.

Replace 'yesss' with 'lol' or 'hahaha' and you'll have the rough spirit of what was intended. I'm just not really fond of 'lol' and 'hahaha' (except sarcastically). 'omg' frequently serves the purpose as well.

Then what was the point of saying it? What was it in response to? The whole post, or something in particular from it?

My issue is, if you're not going to nitpick at wording, then you don't point out drealmer's thing. If you

are

going to nitpick at wording then you don't

ignore

Asty's thing.

I believe GM is deliberately not drawing attention to some things while focusing on others.

Actually, the thing I was focusing on with dreal was

the RVS L-2

. I don't give a flying fuck about the other words in that post.

Of course I'm focusing on some things over other things. We're all going to have different ideas about what's important.

@Accountant: You know what's getting in the way of real discussion?

Sure but what you focused on in my mind when I read it was exactly the same line of thinking for the thing I thought you should have focused on. If you had ignored both things or pointed out both things there wouldn't be an issue. You didn't. You were very selective. That's what I saw.

You didn't give your reasoning as being the RVS L-2. But ok sure. Why is being the L2 vote in RVS something of particular note?

[Accountant]

@GM: What?
@drealmerz: Haven't forgotten about your post. I'll explain why you're scum when I get back to PC.

[drealmerz7]

@GM: What?
@drealmerz: Haven't forgotten about your post. I'll explain why you're scum when I get back to PC.

Looking forward to it, I suppose. *amused by many things*

[drealmerz7]

in the meantime, care to share if you think the pink scoop is indeed strawberry?

[copper223]

amused by many things

What are the many things that amuse you?

[drealmerz7]

amused by many things

What are the many things that amuse you?

Meh, not useful to disclose I think, really. I would have shared if I wanted/thoug it was good to share, maybe I shouldn't have said it and made a note to say after the game "I was amused right here because this this this"? So, maybe after the game if you remind me? It at least makes sense to wait until after Accountant gets back to a PC and addresses the serious issue of me having fun with the banana split picture and proves why I'm scum because of it all, whenever that happens.

[Accountant]

addresses the serious issue of me having fun with the banana split picture and proves why I'm scum because of it all

It's more about consistent misrepping/hypocrisy than anything.

[copper223]

@Accountant
The guy claims he is mis-lynch bait and he is behaving in a way to get on many people's nerves, since nobody has seen previous meta of him where one would at least have to think about him having to stick with it as scum I don't see a reason for his behavior other than that's who he is, if anything the fact he is so unapologetic about it points at him being town.

[drealmerz7]

@accountant - well, regardless, I'm not scum, so, if you're town, re-assess before you commit to getting back to a PC :þ

@copper - I'm just a little whacky at times and like to have a bit of fun, it is a game after all - I don't want to get on people's nerves at all! That's not the reaction I'm going for!

If I get on anyone's nerves anywhere ever, please point out where/why you find it so and we can hopefully come to understanding. I do poke/prod people at times a bit, but, I think that is part of the nature of the game.

The things I do are also never intended to interfere with discussion, but to enhance it, or to have fun with it and make it a bit fun, because it's a game (and I can have fun and make fun posts as well as be focused on the dire situation of choosing who to lynch) - in fact, I will often merge the two if appropriate and not confusing!

[Accountant]

@Accountant
The guy claims he is mis-lynch bait and he is behaving in a way to get on many people's nerves, since nobody has seen previous meta of him where one would at least have to think about him having to stick with it as scum I don't see a reason for his behavior other than that's who he is, if anything the fact he is so unapologetic about it points at him being town.

I've seen a bunch of obnoxious playstyles, but I don't think I've ever seen a player whose playstyle leads to them misrepping people or being hypocritical.

[drealmerz7]

@accountant -

You've already mis-represented me by making assumptions based on very limited facts/evidence (hence the use of the word assumptions) about me, I noticed such and tried to show you why you're wrong, and now you're holding it against me? Also, I didn't intend to mis-represent anyone, in fact, I usually try to phrase things like "it seems to me like you're saying _____", showing

my

take/understanding on whatever it is as well as remaining open to being corrected.

Where am I being hypocritical? Again, I never intended to be, and it is likely you misunderstand or I didn't elaborate enough for you to understand, which, really, I've been trying to drop the discourse with you since you first went on about the NL, and you really seem to keep trying to pick something, anything, up with me. Perhaps it is a clash of playstyles, but, I find when that happens it is best to go at a distance. However, I can't help but see scummy in you, if you see scummy in me, and we're both town, well, *shrug*, let's try not to rub each other the wrong way too much, eh?

But really, if you're going to start calling someone hypocritical and scum, you should really be somewhere where you can fully explain yourself and what you're talking about and not just mention things you want to talk about in the future, that is like, really scummy, imo.

[goodmorning]

goodmorning, your tag says "effort is not indicative of alignment" - is that meant to be in reference to yourself, or a general statement?

Generally speaking. It should probably say "not necessarily indicative" but that kind of wishy-washy language undermines the point.
Why?

1. I participated in an actual manner beyond readlists

after like 48 hours

. Because, fun fact, I'm BUSY on my weekends. You didn't need to have an accurate timing of anything in that game because you were scum. So let's not pretend like you were even trying to read me beyond "PR/SK/Vanilla" because you weren't.
2. NO. You did NOT miss that post. YOU RESPONDED TO A PART OF IT. If you see "Serious vote" and you don't know why then you

ask

about it. Which is something you should be teaching the newbies, is it not?

I'd argue that I mostly posted useful content there. I responded to copper's enquiries along with providing the game he was talking about. The only actual fluff I posted was my joke to Accountant about no one in this game being insane enough to suggest a no lynch D1, with a link to a mini theme game where I did just that. The rest of the posting at unearthly hours of the morning were my response to copper about our game played together and my link to the fallout shelter game, both pretty much as his request.

1. Accurate timing is deeply important as either alignment. If you can't read the mood and tempo of the game, you can't do a good job.
2. I missed it IN MY SUMMATION. I assumed you were pretending to have a serious reason as a reaction test, because that happens a lot.
None of those things have any depth.

If you'd been paying even a modicum of attention to my posts or copper's you'd realize I haven't drawn scum on this site.

What he said was that you hadn't drawn Scum

in a long time

. That doesn't automatically imply never.

Again, wrong. What he said was that I had drawn town left, right and center. It doesn't imply never, but the fact that he asked about where my scum game was implies that I haven't drawn scum on here. You are not reading into the posts. You are not analyzing.

He asked you where a specific game

that specific people scumread you in

was. That also doesn't imply that you haven't drawn Scum here.

I'm trying to argue that you should have poked a little bit at it. Specifically "results of my terrible intuition which will lead to innocent deaths." and "dubious, impresice answers making me look incredibly guilty" or hell even a bit more of a push over the "copyright goodmorning" bit rather than the stresses you went through to make sure it wasn't seen as an actual FOS.

All of those look like components of exactly what I said - a self-deprecating joke. As for the "copyright gm" - I was mostly pleased by the evidence that a newbie actually sat down and read my long IC post, because I've had a lot of evidence of people skipping it in the past.
Come to think of it, that's a positive indicator of his attitude towards the game.

Either way I can't see a reason for GM to have completely avoided pressuring the slot as town.

1. I'm the IC, and I want to encourage him to play better regardless of his alignment.
2. I'm not a moron.

1. Okay, but you're not encouraging him to play better by ignoring the issue. If you were truly trying to encourage him to play better than the discussion we would be having right now would be whether you're coaching rather than ignoring a slot. Which is something I'd be a little more hesitant over with regards to the IC.
2. Okay, so if you hadn't posted by that stage I would have voted him for it. Why would you believe I'm a moron?

1. There's literally no reason to pressure people over jokes.
2. I wouldn't.

I

would have to be a moron to pressure any slot for something like that, because I have those 51 previous Newbie games of experience under my belt. You don't. You're therefore not a moron, you're just wrong.

If you read scum_Jae in the fallout game they are often asking for approval about what they post and how the rest of the players feel about this and that, here they take a hard stance on the IC and call the scum team on page 5, there are some other town-tells I picked up on that I'm keeping for myself as well.

If you're using a bastard marathon game for newbie game meta, you're gonna have a bad time.
(Also: That's what I do as Scum in fast games! This is actually slightly helpful.)

He's not using the meta so much as the tone, I think. Which you should know about, as a self-proclaimed tone-reader. Like...If I had the ability to dayvig here...

He's using your TONAL META.
This is the point at which you may want to note that you're tunneling so hard you're confbiasing. I know it's not going to mean anything coming from me, but seriously, take a step back. I only just learned how to do this, and it's amazing.

@Ast:
1. yesssss
2. I couldn't tell about the English at all.
3.

but are you buddying me?????? omg

Ok, so if anyone can make sense of point 1 without it pointing to scumbuddies I obviously need to hear it.

Replace 'yesss' with 'lol' or 'hahaha' and you'll have the rough spirit of what was intended. I'm just not really fond of 'lol' and 'hahaha' (except sarcastically). 'omg' frequently serves the purpose as well.

Then what was the point of saying it? What was it in response to? The whole post, or something in particular from it?

Because I found it funny. It was in response to the joke.

My issue is, if you're not going to nitpick at wording, then you don't point out drealmer's thing. If you

are

going to nitpick at wording then you don't

ignore

Asty's thing.

I believe GM is deliberately not drawing attention to some things while focusing on others.

Actually, the thing I was focusing on with dreal was

the RVS L-2

. I don't give a flying fuck about the other words in that post.

Of course I'm focusing on some things over other things. We're all going to have different ideas about what's important.

Sure but what you focused on in my mind when I read it was exactly the same line of thinking for the thing I thought you should have focused on. If you had ignored both things or pointed out both things there wouldn't be an issue. You didn't. You were very selective. That's what I saw.

You didn't give your reasoning as being the RVS L-2. But ok sure. Why is being the L2 vote in RVS something of particular note?

And that's a perfect example of different people finding different things important.

That's because I was hoping to kickstart some newbie discussion. Any L-2 vote is of particular note; dreal's treatment of this one was interesting.

@GM: What?

You harping on about this jokepost!

[drealmerz7]

Also note:

All this time I've been like "what I've got to validate my suspicion and vote on accountant isn't much, but it's how I feel / a little something and at this point there's not much else so it's what I'm going with and I'm comfortable with that" - all the while growing more comfortable because of how he/she's being.

and now Accountant is essentially like (

early in D1

, with someone they don't know at all) :

"I

know

you're scum and I'm going to prove it ASAP!"

To me, anytime someone professes to be

so sure

about something so early in a game, I can't help but be suspicious of them, no matter if it is about me or not.