Open 651: Stack the Deck (Game Over)

[lilith2013]

Night 1 has ended

In the morning, an overcast sky threatened heavy rain. Nevertheless, the townspeople went about their business, until they heard a shrill scream in the Dunkin Donuts. A crowd rushed to the window to see what was happening. The cashier had entered to find light_ganski with her throat slit, stuffed into the donut refrigerator.

light_ganski has been killed. She was a

Tracker.

Day 2 begins now, and ends in (expired on 2016-09-04 21:15:00).

pagetop count: Lilith 6 | light_ganski 3 | Vedith 3 | shaddowez 2 | kyndy101 2 | HighHopes 2 | NJAC 2 | Hebee Inc 1

[lilith2013]

Votecount 2.000

Day 2 begins!

Not Voting [10]

kyndy101, Lycanfire, superbowl9, Vedith, Hebee Inc, HighHopes, Raskolnikov, shaddowez, SoraAdvent, Sir Bastion

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
Deadline: (expired on 2016-09-04 21:15:00)

pagetop count: Lilith 6 | light_ganski 3 | Vedith 3 | shaddowez 2 | kyndy101 2 | HighHopes 2 | NJAC 2 | Hebee Inc 1

[shaddowez]

Vedith, results?

[Sir Bastion]

@Mod: I think you got the number of living players left alive wrong

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Awk, thanks. Fixed.

[lilith2013]

Searching for a replacement for SoraAdvent.

[Vedith]

So I checked Shadow and I can confirm that he is not a Mafia goon...
I think he is a mafia power though, as I also watched him and he visited Light.

I also checked Kyndy. Not a goon.
After Sir Bastian mentioned that I could have been thinking wrong with Kyndy, I wanted to at least clear Kyndy from Goon. Obviously this doesn't mean town, but I strongly believe Kyndy is town.
I said that same with NJAC and people didn't want to listen.

Sora I've had a change of heart on.
I'm thinking Super bowl and Hebee now.

VOTE: Hebee

all scum were on the NJAC wagon as it was an easy mis lynch.

Lycan really isn't scum and Rask isn't either.

That leaves Bastian and High Hopes as the 3rd imo.

[HighHopes]

I also checked Kyndy. Not a goon.

So just to be 100% sure.
This is you, claiming you have a Not-a-goon result on kyndy, correct?

'Cause this is what I have to say to that:
VOTE: Vedith.

[Vedith]

So just to be 100% sure.
This is you, claiming you have a Not-a-goon result on kyndy, correct?

'Cause this is what I have to say to that:
VOTE: Vedith.

I wondered how long it would be until scum gave themselves up!
3rd scum found.

And yes, Kyndy is not a goon.
I was worried that I over complexed my post, so I sat 12 5 year olds down and asked them to explain what I meant in that post.
2 other them started talking about fire engines, but the other 10 said to me "This means Kyndy isn't a Goon."

You can see what I'm getting at here.

[shaddowez]

I also checked Kyndy. Not a goon.

So just to be 100% sure.
This is you, claiming you have a Not-a-goon result on kyndy, correct?

'Cause this is what I have to say to that:
VOTE: Vedith.

Mind explaining that? Even if you think kyndy is scum, she may be a PR. Why is a goon clear an auto-vote on Vedith?

I'm tending to think lycan is town, but the NK leads to a whole lot of WIFOM I'm not comfortable with. In the meantime, Heebee is definitely the scummiest player right now, and until they do something to change my mind that's where I want my vote.

VOTE: Heebee

[lilith2013]

ironstove replaces SoraAdvent. Thank you!

[Raskolnikov]

VOTE: highhopes
QH is bad though not even necessarily AI for KTS (it's pretty terrible if you can say that about someone...).
It's the hardcore scumreading hebee to then quickhammering the wagon that hebee hopped on that way that's ridiculous though. I don't buy you think someone is obvscum then just casually hammer with them no problem, along with it having been a jump off of hebee too which he didn't really push at all when it looked viable there's no way it was an actual scumread.
I believe vedith vote is something he'll put off as just a prank or whatever... I hate people hiding behind trolling, its obnoxious in a defensive way because you can revoke everything and don't commit to anything

[superbowl9]

I'm fine with a hebee wagon. I just want her to post first. If it's not related to defending herself I'll be on the wagon as well.

Even tho it's a WIFOM that flip/NK makes me believe Vedith's claim. So my town rn is
Me shaddow vedith bastion

I'm nulltown on kyndy after looking at her early game interactions.
I also like lycan but want him to post more.

I'd lynch either hydra rn, assuming the next hebi post is non-defense/bad defense.
So for now VOTE: HighHopes
Idk if I've said my case on the hydras before but I'm too tired rn.

[Sir Bastion]

Shaddowez (edit: and others now) I recommend reading this section of the setup and focus on the bit I am highlighting:

Goon Cop
Welcome, [Player Name]. You are now a Goon Cop.
Abilities:
Each night you may target a player. You will receive a result of "Goon", "Not a Goon" or

"No Result"

.

Highhopes is insinuating he roleblocked Vedith (why pick Vedith?) and vedith claiming that Kyndy is Not a Goon means he's lying about being a goon cop. He should have gotten *No result* and knew he'd been roleblocked.

Which is pretty damning if true.

it's also I assume why he asks clearly:

This is you,

claiming you have a Not-a-goon result

on kyndy, correct?

But it could be a scum play as they would be in the best position to know how many prs and knew his claim was safe.

A lot of ifs, but most of them in scum hands.

either way one of them is lying and needs a lynching

Unless I'm meant to apply first rule of Vedith and assume he was so useless he misread his night report?

And highhopes full claim please or retract the challenge, I dont want someone to counter claim based on my reading of those posts unless you are 100% confirming the scenario we are in.

edit: Welcome Ironstove!

[superbowl9]

QH is bad though not even necessarily AI for KTS (it's pretty terrible if you can say that about someone...).

Can I get an abbreviation translation please

@bastion's post if this is truly the situation we should lynch vedith first.

[Sir Bastion]

QH is bad though not even necessarily AI for KTS (it's pretty terrible if you can say that about someone...).

Can I get an abbreviation translation please

@bastion's post if this is truly the situation we should lynch vedith first.

QH = Quickhammer I assume

Not sure on the other two.

Why should we lynch Vedith first?

vedith's claim was the riskier of the two

we can confirm with one of them is telling the truth that there is at least 3 prs in this game (tracker, innocent child, goon cop/roleblocker) which means vedith on day 1 claimed goon cop before any other claim (aside from innocnet child) with the risk of it being potentially in the game. If there are more then 3 prs then the risk vedith took just goes up and up. At best he had potentially 2 players in the game that might have been able to CC him. At worse he could have had 4.


Highhopes claim came at a point where the 3 roles had been claimed by end of day 1 and a night period had passed where a chance for scum to find a 4th if they took a role cop. Which means regardless of there being 3 prs or 4 there is no risk to HH's claim being countered. There is only a risk if there are 5 prs with only 1 player potentially available to counter claim him.

[shaddowez]

Highhopes is insinuating he roleblocked Vedith (why pick Vedith?) and vedith claiming that Kyndy is Not a Goon means he's lying about being a goon cop. He should have gotten *No result* and knew he'd been roleblocked.

Which is pretty damning if true.

it's also I assume why he asks clearly:

This is you,

claiming you have a Not-a-goon result

on kyndy, correct?

That makes sense, I suppose. I'm not a fan of the question yet immediate vote, personally.

But it could be a scum play as they would be in the best position to know how many prs and knew his claim was safe.

A lot of ifs, but most of them in scum hands.

either way one of them is lying and needs a lynching

Even with scum choosing no roles, town still has two PRs so any PR claim by scum is a gambit, especially before any claims whatsoever.

Unless I'm meant to apply first rule of Vedith and assume he was so useless he misread his night report?

And highhopes full claim please or retract the challenge, I dont want someone to counter claim based on my reading of those posts unless you are 100% confirming the scenario we are in.

edit: Welcome Ironstove!

The bolded line comes across as coaching - if you believe HighHopes, why would you put a line in there that could suggest a backpedal for Vedith?

Questioning my reads now.
UNVOTE:

[shaddowez]

QH is bad though not even necessarily AI for KTS (it's pretty terrible if you can say that about someone...).

Can I get an abbreviation translation please

@bastion's post if this is truly the situation we should lynch vedith first.

Guesses:
QH - Quick Hammer
AI - Alignment Indicative
KTS - KillTheStory (One of the Hydra heads)

[Raskolnikov]

(quickhammer)

Oh wow that actually makes sense for the vote. Vedith scum though doesn't make sense with hebee (traitor likelihood waning) and the claim is still kind of absurd from scum. I wouldn't put it past vedith to fakeclaim it as vt even though.
One of HH/vedith has to be lying though if they both claim pr like this I think, even if it's vt vs pr. Regardless of between the two (need role confirmation again) and HH's still looking bad from yesterday, hebee's probably safest bet for scum as an individual though.
VOTE: hebee

@vedith are you actually goon cop?

[Raskolnikov]

Safe to say this is probably the most chaotic day 2 start I've ever seen

[Sir Bastion]

Even with scum choosing no roles, town still has two PRs so any PR claim by scum is a gambit, especially before any claims whatsoever.

uhmm I was referring to Highhopes doing a scum play in that section not Vedith, please see my response to supersoup for details.

The bolded line comes across as coaching - if you believe HighHopes, why would you put a line in there that could suggest a backpedal for Vedith?

I dont believe either of them until one flips.

sad fact of life.

And I didnt really see that as coaching for a possible backpedalling option, I'm pretty sure the twelve 5 year old story pretty much put a nail in that notion, Vedith has clearly double downed on his report.

[Sir Bastion]

superbowl

not supersoup

why do I think of soup whenever I say your name?

[Vedith]

@vedith are you actually goon cop?

Yeah, and re looked, it does say no result! My bad!
Why the fuck would High Hopes role block the Goon Cop.
Idiot town is idiot town.

[Vedith]

This changes nothing on my opinion btw!
Hebee and Superbowl for being scum.

[Sir Bastion]

if it wasnt for the fact that almost everyone else who posted didnt think twice about the posts and were gunning to lynch HH out the gate I would be calling bullshit

but you did that follow up post with the little story of the five year olds

cause honestly that really does read like you confirming it says *not a goon*

thats my concern right now

and yes, Kyndy is not a goon.
I was worried that I over complexed my post, so I sat 12 5 year olds down and asked them to explain what I meant in that post.
2 other them started talking about fire engines, but the other 10 said to me "This means Kyndy isn't a Goon."

You can see what I'm getting at here.

[Vedith]

but you did that follow up post with the little story of the five year olds

cause honestly that really does read like you confirming it says *not a goon*

It wasn't a stroy!
But yeah I fucked up
High Hopes also fucked up by blocked cop.

One thing we know is that we are now going into extra time on roles.

I have reason to highly suspect Superbowl as well, but explaining the reason will be boarder line unfair sportsmanship. :<
So for now I'm leaving Superbowl as lean scum until I can provide proof.

Hebee was scum though for sure, and the NJAC wagon was so poorly pushed to avoid Hebee lynched.