Open 651: Stack the Deck (Game Over)

[lilith2013]

Votecount 2.001

Hebee Inc [2]

Vedith, Raskolnikov

Vedith [1]

HighHopes

HighHopes [1]

superbowl9

Not Voting [6]

kyndy101, Lycanfire, Hebee Inc, shaddowez, SoraAdvent, Sir Bastion

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
Deadline: (expired on 2016-09-04 21:15:00)

pagetop count: Lilith 7 | light_ganski 3 | Vedith 3 | shaddowez 2 | kyndy101 2 | HighHopes 2 | NJAC 2 | Hebee Inc 1

[superbowl9]

Why should we lynch Vedith first?

vedith's claim was the riskier of the two

HH is basically ccing vedith tho so if vedith flips town then HH is lying, so they would be the next lynch. What would HH scum have to gain from this?

Doesn't matter anyways because that's no longer the situation.

if it wasnt for the fact that almost everyone else who posted didnt think twice about the posts and were gunning to lynch HH out the gate I would be calling bullshit

but you did that follow up post with the little story of the five year olds

cause honestly that really does read like you confirming it says *not a goon*

thats my concern right now

and yes, Kyndy is not a goon.
I was worried that I over complexed my post, so I sat 12 5 year olds down and asked them to explain what I meant in that post.
2 other them started talking about fire engines, but the other 10 said to me "This means Kyndy isn't a Goon."

You can see what I'm getting at here.

Tbh I thought this was a stretch at first but after looking back at the posts I find it kinda valid. The result would be "Not a goon" or "no result". The way vedith phrases it in his posts

I also checked Kyndy. Not a goon.

and

And yes, Kyndy is not a goon.
I was worried that I over complexed my post, so I sat 12 5 year olds down and asked them to explain what I meant in that post.
2 other them started talking about fire engines, but the other 10 said to me "This means Kyndy isn't a Goon."

If he got a "no result" I don't think he would've phrased that first one as he did. Wouldn't a more natural way to say that be "I checked Kyndy, she's not a goon" and for the second one "Kyndy's not a goon" or "Kyndy isn't a goon"? The use of the exact phrasing multiple times makes me suspicious.
Also the fact that he was one of the people who didn't miss that "shadow is town" modpost, and yet he misreads his result and then confirms it? I really just don't buy it. And just when I was starting to townread him -.-
VOTE: Vedith

I have reason to highly suspect Superbowl as well, but explaining the reason will be boarder line unfair sportsmanship. :<

Is this a football joke? Or do you mean something else with unfair sportsmanship?

[Vedith]

HH is basically ccing vedith tho so if vedith flips town then HH is lying, so they would be the next lynch. What would HH scum have to gain from this?

You're actually trying to prepare 2 mis lynched even though I have already confirmed that HH isn't lying regardless of I'm lynched.

And no I mean in this game. I'm probably thinking too much into it but small information tells me something.
For the fun of the game I'm just going to on a case for you instead.

[superbowl9]

HH is basically ccing vedith tho so if vedith flips town then HH is lying, so they would be the next lynch. What would HH scum have to gain from this?

You're actually trying to prepare 2 mis lynched even though I have already confirmed that HH isn't lying regardless of I'm lynched.

And no I mean in this game. I'm probably thinking too much into it but small information tells me something.
For the fun of the game I'm just going to on a case for you instead.

Like I said, that's no longer the situation, so even if we lynch you and you flip goon cop that could just mean you misread, not necessarily that HH was lying. What I put there was only relevant if you said that your result was in fact not a goon and HH kept her claim.

[HighHopes]

And yes, Kyndy is not a goon.

Oh, you are gonna

love

this.
I had to make sure you were claiming a result, explicitly, as to leave yourself no wiggle room to back out.

We are a roleblocker. We blocked Vedith last night. This is a 1v1.

My idea, and my submitted action, though KTS supported it.
My reasoning should be obvious enough: IF Vedith were real, then, sure, we would be blocking him, but his result of 'no result' would not only clear him, but also reveal our presence as a roleblocker in the game. If necessary, we would claim to save him.

IF, as I suspected, Vedith was the most obvscum liar of all time, then come morning today, he wouldn't know to claim "no result". He would try to claim a result that would be useless, but because scum roleblockers don't exist in the game, he would have to make up a result.

[Vedith]

IF, as I suspected, Vedith was the most obvscum liar of all time, then come morning today, he wouldn't know to claim "no result". He would try to claim a result that would be useless, but because scum roleblockers don't exist in the game, he would have to make up a result.

You blocked the Role cop you idiot.
You are honestly the worst player, KTS.

Lynch away - I can confirm KTS is roleblocker, just an idiot.

[HighHopes]

That's actually Ranger you're speaking to.

And as for ME quickhammering, I found it absolutely hilarious to do so.

[HighHopes]

Highhopes claim came at a point where the 3 roles had been claimed by end of day 1 and a night period had passed where a chance for scum to find a 4th if they took a role cop.

For a start, 199 should give you an indication of what I think there.
Then, in 245, I did something VERY important:

scum can also pick a roleblocker themselves

False: mafia roleblocker is NOT a possible role this game.
Only town roleblocker.
Check the list of roles on the front page.
Possible mafia roles are {Bulletproof, Rolecop, JOAT}, but the JOAT has a 1x-ninja and 1x-strongman; it does not include a roleblock.

Ergo, roleblockers are a town role this game and the

only

way for Vedith to be roleblocked is if a town roleblocker targets him.
Keep this in mind.

That being said:
Vedith is not a lynch for today.

This was me making sure Vedith could not claim he was blocked by a SCUM roleblocker. This was me ensuring he could not use that excuse, that he would be FULLY aware claiming to be roleblocked meant claiming to be blocked by town.

It was also a pretty blatant broadcast of my intentions.

You literally cannot get a more blatant claim of, "We're not lynching Vedith today, but we're sure not letting him get away with this bullshit".

[Vedith]

That's actually Ranger you're speaking to.

And as for ME quickhammering, I found it absolutely hilarious to do so.

Then you're an idiot.

[Vedith]

Regardless, superbowl, Hebee and by POE - Bastian are scum.

[HighHopes]

That's actually Ranger you're speaking to.

And as for ME quickhammering, I found it absolutely hilarious to do so.

Then you're an idiot.

Stop reiterating what's already been said.

[Vedith]

Stop reiterating what's already been said.

You're an idiot.

[HighHopes]

Vedith scum though doesn't make sense with hebee (traitor likelihood waning) and the claim is still kind of absurd from scum.

That's the thing though.

Vedith being the traitor is

exactly

what I think is happening.
As the traitor, Vedith's job is to draw out power roles, and to misdirect the town. To mislead them. As the traitor, Vedith's job is to use his status as a distraction to its fullest advantage: immune to a vig shot, able to draw a roleblock/track/goon cop, or maybe even--with a power role claim--a bodyguard, directing these things onto him rather than to where they need to go.

I've left KTS to do most of the posting this game, including letting him dictate reads. I'm fine with sheeping him for the most part, wouldn't be playing this game without him, but I'm still gonna use my superpower called common sense to point out the obvious. I said back in 199 that Vedith was a traitor. Did anyone stop to think

why

I thought that?

Yeah, and re looked, it does say no result! My bad!

Where's KTS with a good backpedaling gif when you need it?

[Vedith]

Vedith being the traitor is exactly what I think is happening.
As the traitor, Vedith's job is to draw out power roles, and to misdirect the town. To mislead them. As the traitor, Vedith's job is to use his status as a distraction to its fullest advantage: immune to a vig shot, able to draw a roleblock/track/goon cop, or maybe even--with a power role claim--a bodyguard, directing these things onto him rather than to where they need to go.

I don't believe there to be a traitor.

[HighHopes]

Yeah, and re looked, it does say no result! My bad!

Where's KTS with a good backpedaling gif when you need it?

hows this

[Raskolnikov]

VOTE: vedith

Omg. I wrote vedith off entirely because of that claim!
Traitor is actually genius
a) traitor can assume high chance mafia didn't pick anything (therefore, 2 goon)
b) of the 2 PRs, one is already innocent child, so goon cop chance is small
c) even if goon cop CC's, goon cop is threatening against dual goon team and is probably worth trading for traitor. Kill goon cop and only IC is left.
d) even if there's vig, traitor is BP so takes up a lynch.
and if it works (no-cc) traitor can solo win on the towncred regardless of what happens to scumteam.

Ranger when I first saw you, you completely blew my mind solving the game in hope plus one. It influenced my ins to even play with you but to be honest (I guess from busy IRL) from what I watched and seen you just never had that same impact. I didn't think you'd blow my mind again like this. Jesus christ

[Raskolnikov]

Traitor fits with hebee even.

My only question is why you guys quickhammed NJAC and didn't push hebee when it was perfectly viable yesterday?

[Raskolnikov]

The KTS Ranger surprise switcharoo
There is literally not a stronger contrast between 2 players in mafiascum.

[Sir Bastion]

you are such a squeeling fangirl right now.

the avatar is almost perfect...

[Raskolnikov]

That's not how it is. Shut up.

[HighHopes]

The KTS Ranger surprise switcharoo
There is literally not a stronger contrast between 2 players in mafiascum.

what r u implying here

[Vedith]

you are such a squeeling fangirl right now.

the avatar is almost perfect...

[Sir Bastion]

Vedith with all the ups and downs where does your read of kyndy sit now?


Cause to me it feels like you admit there was a doubt there during the night but then your scumhunting today (even after being revealed you learnt nothing) has a distinct kyndy shaped hole.

Especially when you are say:

Hebee was scum though for sure, and the NJAC wagon was so poorly pushed to avoid Hebee lynched.

That puts Kyndy on the list but you've somehow done some amazing process of elimination and removed her from the suspect pool.

VOTE: Vedith

[Sir Bastion]

That's not how it is. Shut up.

and this just makes it better

I'm slightly annoyed I cant find a picture of Holo all tsundere and embarrassed

[Sir Bastion]

No wait I DID!

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