Open 646 - Semi Nightless - Game Over (D6)

mhsmith0 · Post Post #1900 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:03 pm

Given the fact that you're a pretty reasonbaly likely Mafia, and reasonably likely to get lynched today, what are your top two lynches and why? I see rosske, who's #2? unless you can convince us the case against you is unreasonable, the lynches are going to be you and (if you're town) two others. The most town-positive thing you can do is to fight your lynch and/or clearly and convincingly point us to who it should be instead. Currently the town isn't buying rosske; since he's your stated top suspect, why is the town case on him wrong?

Transcend · Post Post #1901 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:05 pm

lynch #1:

fuck

lynch #2:

you

mhsmith0 · Post Post #1902 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:06 pm

In post 1901, Transcend wrote:lynch #1:
fuck

lynch #2:
you

Going out with a bang I see.

Transcend · Post Post #1903 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:09 pm

like i said, you're welcome to lynch me, i've said this since about d2 since i had my reads and since this game is cancerous.

i've explained my reads and the purpose behind them several times and

I HATE FUCKING REPEATING MYSELF WHEN I HAVE MADE MY STANDPOINT VERY CLEAR

so i won't

Transcend · Post Post #1904 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:13 pm

like i genuinely want out of the game. the fact that you've blown two mislynches i said were mislynches and had the nerve to cross me and my hardest townread today is extremely infuritating. and you're negating my hard scumread based on meta and other horseshit. absolutely flustered right now.

mhsmith0 · Post Post #1905 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:14 pm

Specific arguments have been advanced about rosske being town. Why are those specific arguments wrong? "I've made my case I don't feel like repeating myself" isn't helpful. Engage with what people are saying if you're town. Or just start yelling and leave us to guess whether you've given up as a wolf or just don't care as town.

Transcend · Post Post #1906 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:15 pm

both flipped people who said i was town are probably flipping their shit in the PT since you're all being so fucking demented right now.

pedit: no i'm done being logical i'm town that doesn't care anymore.

Transcend · Post Post #1907 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:18 pm

so with that said, i openly welcome a rope around my neck and i honestly hope you can manage to screw up five mislynches after you somehow lynched one of the mafia d1.

mhsmith0 · Post Post #1908 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:31 pm

The sheer contempt in transcend there is kinda interesting. Compare that to his iso in his scum game, notably

In post 2337, Transcend wrote:i'm so fucking pissed off that alpaca flipped town. i pushed his lynch super hard because i thought he was mafia and town would be in basically autowin.

also i reread the entire fucking game overnight, but ignored scout since i thought he was gonna die.

i concluded bacde/lowell mafia.

not voting yet.

Where he talks about being pissed off while pretty clearly not actually being pissed off. I think that's a hard engagement to fake as a wolf.
UNVOTE: transcend
Still suspicious of him, but his reaction there is highly consistent with a townie who thinks he's surrounded by a bunch of total idiots. I don't think he fakes the contempt dripping through his posts if he's a wolf there. It's really hard to do.

Transcend · Post Post #1909 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:40 pm

who knows man

but if you need a lynch by deadline

i'll take the fall

i don't even know how long deadline is for now.

mhsmith0 · Post Post #1910 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:43 pm

Deadline is Saturday sometime I think.

Transcend · Post Post #1911 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:46 pm

oh there's plenty of time

i have the next two days off if i'm up to it (making giant cases is a lot of work and i do other things besides playing this site) i will probably individually iso each player like you all have done.

mhsmith0 · Post Post #1912 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:51 pm

K cool. Wrt rosske, it's conceivable he's the other goon but I don't think it's obvious at this point. I'll probably give a decent look through his (limited) meta as well if wing doesn't clarify his point there as well.

gigabyteTroubadour · Post Post #1913 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:53 pm

There isn't really much of a meta to go by. I refuse to use ongoing games for meta by principle, I should add.

Transcend scum seems highly unlikely to me, but at this point you could probably write a wallcase about how i'm scum and i might believe it :/

i hate being sheepy but no compter access means no cases

mhsmith0 · Post Post #1914 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:55 pm

Well, yeah, no ongoings. But rosske has two relatively short isos in finished games, one for each alignment.

Transcend · Post Post #1915 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:55 pm

In post 1913, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:There isn't really much of a meta to go by. I refuse to use ongoing games for meta by principle, I should add.

against the rules anyways

mhsmith0 · Post Post #1916 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:57 pm

It's against the rules to cite or describe ongoing games, it's not against the rules to skim ongoings to refine your read, although few bother to go through that much effort when they can't even be explicit about what they're seeing.

Transcend · Post Post #1917 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:02 pm

it's against the rules to curse in this game which i realize i unknowingly did and i apologize

Tenshii · Post Post #1918 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:03 pm

I don't think scum!Transcend would intentionally not give a case when he could just restate/fabricate one easily.

I think Thor scumreads me defending Karnos as either alignment, but I think only scum!Thor lets Transcend and Rosske get away with how they are playing. Also note how still the only thing town reading Thor is him being so bussy.

@Wing Did you not read the whole 300 post? And IMO my unvote negotiation was a pretty sick play. Making it that much harder for Karnos to get lynched is sick. That effectively made it 7/8 to lynch Karnos. Add that I (thought I) made scum basically voteless and boom! I made a sick play.

Also I don't think anyone has made a case for town!Rosske that's only based on actual day play.

VOTE: Rosske

I don't really picture a Thor vote besides mine happening today.

In post 1823, mhsmith0 wrote:This (and the rest of their back and forth) is one of those things that just makes it really hard to see Thor as karnis's buddy. What wolf boldly misreps his buddy in this way at that point? The push without a vote dampens it a bit, but it seems a lot more like "pushing a villager wagon without being on it" than it does "fake distancing/theater push on a buddy". The sheer depth of their back and forth on d1 just makes it incredibly hard to see Thor as the goon here.

Why would scum!Karnos be scared of voting a town!Thor here?

mhsmith0 · Post Post #1919 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:08 pm

In post 1918, Tenshii wrote:Why would scum!Karnos be scared of voting a town!Thor here?

And THAT is one of the big questions of the day I think. I think it's pretty decently suggestive of either Thor as a buddy or a buddy already on Thor, in which case the idea was to spread out votes and not bunch together in a sketchy looking way on a player there really wasn't a case against. NK motive is somewhat suggestive of not rosske, but I want to hear wings specific meta read justification first since he said meta was a meaningful part of the town read there.

Tenshii · Post Post #1920 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:34 pm

My lynch order atm is Thor > Rosske > mhsmith0

Tenshii · Post Post #1921 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:35 pm

But I think only scum is within Thor or Rosske

Tenshii · Post Post #1922 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:45 pm

Actually I take that back. mhsmith0 might be scum still.

tojam2 · Post Post #1923 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 10:49 pm

VC Day 4 - 7

Transcend L-3 - Rosske
Rosske L-2 - Transcend, Tenshii
Tenshii L-2 - Thor665, gigabyteTroubadour

(expired on 2016-08-29 09:30:00)

Thor665 · Post Post #1924 (ISO) » Tue Aug 23, 2016 12:15 am

In post 1875, mhsmith0 wrote:
In post 1874, Thor665 wrote:because it looks like you're bum rushing a wall.
clarify what you mean here? Just that he's not been responsive or something more?

I mean the point appears to lead to nowhere.

In post 1885, mhsmith0 wrote:Why did you think this was a decent non-info kill option? Io had a low post count, but had actively staked out positions (including a town read on rosske). I'm not going to say it was a terrible kill (she'd been productive in her postings), but it was a surprising kill. As a counter-example, I think that a shooter going for a "decent non-info kill option" would probably have shot giga, since that avoids eliminating someone with a meaningful counter-consensus opinion, or just you for obvious reasons. Do you disagree?

Beyond the Rosske thing, that took me a while to suss out, and other people a lot longer - feel free to list all the info that kill gave us.
That makes it a decent non-info kill.

In post 1897, Transcend wrote:my goal isn't to towntell, i don't give two Smurfs about towntelling.

my goal is to find scum.

i did not sign up for this game to appease you mofos i signed up to lynch mafia.

You can't change the way you play bra!

In post 1907, Transcend wrote:so with that said, i openly welcome a rope around my neck and i honestly hope you can manage to screw up five mislynches after you somehow lynched one of the mafia d1.

Why not replace out - as currently stands you appear to be claiming desire to play against wincon, which is against site rules.

In post 1913, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:i hate being sheepy but no compter access means no cases

When does this situation end again?
You are being very unhelpful.

In post 1918, Tenshii wrote:I think Thor scumreads me defending Karnos as either alignment, but I think only scum!Thor lets Transcend and Rosske get away with how they are playing. Also note how still the only thing town reading Thor is him being so bussy.

Yeah, how strange to townread me for being the most vocal attacker on the dead scum.
Totally weird value call that is.
What are people smoking!?!

In post 1918, Tenshii wrote:Also I don't think anyone has made a case for town!Rosske that's only based on actual day play.

What does that have to do with anything?
They did make a case based on meta - which is sorta day play, does that not count?
Apparently making a case on Thor for only day play is bad.
So why is it bad they went the other way with Rosske?