Newbie 1730 - To The North (Game Over)

[karnos]

Of course, it could also be that scum!innocentvillager knows enomis is town because scum know those things, so he is going for town cred on a likely lynch.

[enomis]

After iso-ing, Ironstove, i think i like him enough to not lynch him today.

Two hardest person on my wagon are towny to me ~.~..

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Karnos: Who is scum and why.

[ironstove]

Here's the thing though, if he's mafia why would he be so adamant about not lynching enomis if enomis is town? To make himself appear more town in the process? Actually, if enomis ends up flipping town with IV not explaining why he is TRing enomis so hard, then I would FOS him at that point because only a player who has information that a town player shouldn't have and doesn't want to share i.e. mafia would have the confidence to go against a lynch like this.

[enomis]

Here's the thing though, if he's mafia why would he be so adamant about not lynching enomis if enomis is town? To make himself appear more town in the process? Actually, if enomis ends up flipping town with IV not explaining why he is TRing enomis so hard, then I would FOS him at that point because only a player who has information that a town player shouldn't have and doesn't want to share i.e. mafia would have the confidence to go against a lynch like this.

This is wrong. Town would have the confidence to go against a lynch like this too. He has been town reading this slot from before enfp claimed "setup C" thingy. He could be town who is so sure of enfp being town after seeing his post.

I often see players having utmost confidence in their read(when they think that read is strong). I am one of them.

[enomis]

fiddlercrabontheroof (5):

ironstove

, Harkonnen97, Transcend,

Skold

, innocentvillager

I think there is at least one scum here. 99% sure. Skold is dead. Ironstove is cool for today.

I think Harkonnen97/penguin. is actually my best bet out of this 5. Dont think transcend is scum. IV is cool today too.

oohh..god this is hard.

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@Penguin

: WHo is scum and why.


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P.S. I have isoed a few people and i think i got the general idea of the flow of the game.

[innocentvillager]

IV has also ignored these two posts I made directly addressing him, IV please respond:

@Enefpe's replacement (If I'm not here) DO NOT CLAIM (especially if you are Diagonal PR, but also if you're protective).

Can you explain why not outing his PR claim is +EV for town? I agree with karnos' assessment that mafia most likely already know what the PR is, and hiding his PR at this point is more harmful to town than anything else.

Also IV, another question why does it matter if he's a diagonal ? I'm missing the significance of this detail.

Sorry a lot of stuff sometimes gets directly towards me, I can't always respond to everything but keep asking me and eventually I will see it and respond LOL.

See, I disagree with karnos's assessment that scum know what role enomis is. Firstly, that setup C claim was silly lol, and everything that follows rests on the hypothetical that he actually knew what he was doing when he was claiming "setup C". Even if you buy it, the only way they would know is if there is a RB, which is improbable (1/3 chance). That means that there's a 2/3 chance that they don't know whether he is Doc or Tracker (if you buy the "setup C" thing).

I have to apologize, I mixed up setup C and setup 3 in my previous post.

The point is, basically whatever enomis claims will clear him, unless he gets really lucky. A cleared PR will just probably get killed. There is no reason he has to get lynched today or get cleared.

Diagonal PRs are generally more powerful than protectives (BP/Doc) because they can actively investigate and figure shit out.

[innocentvillager]

Here's the thing though, if he's mafia why would he be so adamant about not lynching enomis if enomis is town? To make himself appear more town in the process? Actually, if enomis ends up flipping town with IV not explaining why he is TRing enomis so hard, then I would FOS him at that point because only a player who has information that a town player shouldn't have and doesn't want to share i.e. mafia would have the confidence to go against a lynch like this.

This is wrong. Town would have the confidence to go against a lynch like this too. He has been town reading this slot from before enfp claimed "setup C" thingy. He could be town who is so sure of enfp being town after seeing his post.

I often see players having utmost confidence in their read(when they think that read is strong). I am one of them.

Yep.

I am honestly just THAT certain of this slot being town. I'm even more sure of this slot being town than ironstove slot being town. You shouldn't really be townreading or scumreading me for this.

[innocentvillager]

Somewhat related, but I'm fairly confident that IV and Enefpe are opposite alignments. I'm confident that IV is town, Enefpe is opposite, ergo Enefpe is scum

Yeah this is not great reasoning. Either enomis and I are the most blatant non-newbie scumteam on this entire site, or maybe... (no way!) we're both town. Me town and enomis scum is laughable, me scum and enomis town is mildly plausible.

In post 19, Joushi wrote:
I'm not sure how relevant it is, but I've started looking through some people's games history. Am I allowed to link these or no? I saw a discussion somewhere about referencing out of game stuff but I'm not sure where it is.

Town Joushi. Agree with IV.

I think he's town too but I'm not as sure about him as you and ironstove.

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Also IV

, why did you not claim and your reason was some 5.5 days thingy.
Your reason should have been no one has claimed intent to hammer and not there are still 5.5days. 5.5 days is not a particularly long time and the town need time to switch votes and vote on another wagon and process the information.

Give me your thought process.

5.5 days is enough time dude. I recognize the need to lynch not-last minute, but that's like 40% of Day 1 that was still remaining. I had no reason to claim when the wagon was horribad, based on no reasoning, and there were other lynches that were better available. 5.5 days is easily enough time for a wagon to dissolve and reform on someone else.

[innocentvillager]

Also, V/LA until Saturday, I have a lot of college move-in to do among other seminars I have to attend.

I will still try to make a post or two in that time period.

[karnos]

See, I disagree with karnos's assessment that scum know what role enomis is. Firstly, that setup C claim was silly lol, and everything that follows rests on the hypothetical that he actually knew what he was doing when he was claiming "setup C". Even if you buy it, the only way they would know is if there is a RB, which is improbable (1/3 chance). That means that there's a 2/3 chance that they don't know whether he is Doc or Tracker (if you buy the "setup C" thing).

So he was getting pressured, he made a PR claim, and the claim is a lie, and we should let off all pressure because of that? Lying about a power role makes you town read someone?

Alternatively, he wasn't lying, he is a doctor or a tracker. If scum have a roleblocker, they know he is a doctor, AND they know we have a cop. That is the perfect reason to not kill him at night, and also the perfect scenario where scum know the entire setup but town does not. OTOH, if he is a tracker scum have a pretty good idea (if they don't have a role blocker, it's guaranteed that a tracker exists in the game, and if it's not epenfe it's someone else). Either way, scum has a lot of information thanks to the partial slip.

What happens if epenfe fully outs? He could actually be read as town by those who distrust him, this is huge. I still don't see him getting night killed, because scum would rather kill the cop if one exists. If he is night killed, it's still not the end of the world- epenfe.slot being lynched today, as town, would be catastrophic for town, but if he comes clean and claims a believable role and no counterclaim occurs, that means 1: we get a chance to lynch actual scum today and 2: scum can't nightkill someone else if they want to make sure he dies.

[innocentvillager]

I still don't see him getting night killed, because scum would rather kill the cop if one exists.

What the fuck? Are you scum knowing there's a roleblocker? You mentioned no hypothetical to this!

VOTE: karnos

[innocentvillager]

Nvm it's not as much of a scumclaim as I though after rereading.

But I still disagree with that post.

[karnos]

If you are still here, IV, if you, me, & enomis are all town who is the scum team?

[karnos]

Penguin & Transcend?

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: innocentvillager

Switching while we wait to hear from new!Enefpe

We've heard...what are your thoughts now?

[PenguinPower]

@Penguin: WHo is scum and why.

I'd like to hear from karnos on your slot before I answer that.

[ironstove]

Everyone just lynch enomis and make him claim.

[enomis]

@penguin: OK

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@ IV: i back off from the 5.5 thing.

I would want to hear from you why ironstove is so town though. Cause from my pov, he just played solid town that's all. He could be good mafia playing solid town and i am not that sure on him. I am only really sure on my reads when i think i see something that only comes from town. One example was when i look at enfp iso(well i may be biased since i am his slot, but thats what i think i will get even if i never see my role pm).

So what about iron stove strikes you as so town because your posts reads that way.

I am having a hard time finding scum this game man. It seems like i am townreading alot people.

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P-edit:
@ironstove
Apparently, they don't agree with you.

[enomis]

I will humor you, tell me your 2nd scum beside me.

[ironstove]

I don't know.

[ironstove]

enomis, there is no reason people should be town reading me so hard, and the fact that both transcend and IV are so adamant that I am a town makes me FOS them both.

We very well could have a transcend/IV team here with transcend busing IV from the start of this game.

[karnos]

VOTE: innocentvillager

Switching while we wait to hear from new!Enefpe

We've heard...what are your thoughts now?

VOTE: enomis

This still needs to claim.

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: innocentvillager

Switching while we wait to hear from new!Enefpe

We've heard...what are your thoughts now?

VOTE: enomis

This still needs to claim.

Interesting...

Is that L-1? Joushi, you and ironstove?

[ironstove]

Yes it is. Enomis, you claim now.

[innocentvillager]

Nah he doesn't