I guess that's a possibility too, I never considered that.In post 1924, Dwlee99 wrote:@Mod:If scum paint zulfy red and then murder him on the same night does he flip red?
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I'm fine flipping me. The timing of kraska's replace out comes pretty close to confirming her alignment. As I mentioned, she replaced out right after Pieguyn called her a bad player but town so if she was scum, I can't see her being offended at that. I think it's more likely she would have rode it out as scum to prove Pie wrong.
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In post 1924, Dwlee99 wrote:@Mod:If scum paint zulfy red and then murder him on the same night does he flip red?Cannot answer.
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My town read on that slot starts with Spiffeh and is mostly because of his post here:
Trying to push the deadline wagon vote through on Aristophanes and others were letting themselves get distracted, Spiffeh could have continued to derail the push but doesn't. I'd recommend going back and reading the end of day one again. With Ira, that's mostly a gut thing but his posting yesterday just felt like naive town.
I feel like the Zulfy kill was more scum trying to find power roles and leaving people alive that would be easier to mislynch. I'm pretty glad they killed him as his posting around the end of day one could have convinced me to lynch him today, or at least get very distracted by him. I keep going back and forth on you but that's mostly because of the vote counts.
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@Sotty, I don't know about Katsuki but you are wrong on me at least so you need to fix that read if we're going to win. Fairly confident you are town here so if you have any questions for me, I'd happy to make my thought-processes more transparent.
For quick reference, I'll list out who replaced who and the scumteam possibilities:
1. Katsuki(TSQ) - iraonavp(Smart/Spiffeh)
2. Katsuki(TSQ) - dwlee(beeboy)
3. dwlee(beeboy) - iraonavp(Smart/Spiffeh)
Including Sotty7 for completeness:
4. Sotty7(kraska/itlepip/dominator/hiplop) - Katsuki(TSQ)
5. Sotty7(kraska/itlepip/dominator/hiplop) - iraonavp(Smart/Spiffeh)
6 .Sotty7(kraska/itlepip/dominator/hiplop) - dwlee(beeboy)
Katsuki-dwlee- See this as pretty unlikely. Beeboy voted to flip TSQ on D1 Post 113 and went to extent of pushing harder on the flip Post 145. Given TSQ(Kats) was going to flip red, I don't get why beeboy would push for his flip on D1 where a red flip would be rather incriminating. Found TSQ's response in Post 160 rather overblown. Leaning towards it being scum who was afraid of being caught by town rather than scum being annoyed at a bus or just town. In fact, I think town would be pretty happy to be flipped D1 and confirmed so I don't know what pissed him off so much that he needed to replace out. dwlee definitely voted outside of Katsuki's slot (nina -> ducks -> nina) so this is not a super-strong associative. Do have a question for dwlee though - you say that TSQ/Katsuki are a scumlean because your predecessor was heavily scumreading TSQ. If you are someone that takes predecessor's actions into account, why did you never vote to paint-flip the Katsuki slot on D1? Post 634 would be a rather odd switch if it was a dwlee/Katsuki/Aristo team given he'd be stating a townread on a partner who had a wagon and bussing the other which is just odd interaction. I could see him potentially going for a town-Katsuki if he senses that the momentum on Aristo was declining. He's also pretty intent on flipping Katsuki D4 given weak reasoning "sheeping Nahdia" which I don't see as partner-ish.
Katsuki-iraonavp- Based on D1 posting, Spiffeh started a counter to the TSQ paint-wagon on Nahdia and later flipped to Nina in Post 294. Outlines weak suspicion of Katsuki (Post 449) which doesn't lead anywhere. Votes Nahdia for the color flip despite saying that he's townreading them. Most of something_smart's content on replacing in is focused on Pieguyn but his first mention of Katsuki is in his readslist in Post 995 where he puts him as null-scum. Votes Katsuki for the paint-flip in Post 1161 but given Katsuki didn't seem bothered by the flip, I don't rule out potential scum motive for the scumteam to flip him. Post 1302 is a very interesting post given he's responding to TBG and I think TBG made a few strong points here given that Smart had Katsuki as a backpocket scumread but the red flip didn't make him more confident about it whereas if a scumread flipped red, it would make more sense for town to double-down. I also don't like the pre-flip associatives of Pie/Katsuki. They fit into the mold of what I see from scum tying their partners to townies, and the very evasive response in Post 1537 fits in well with scum-motive. I find iraonavp's suspicion of Katsuki (he flipped red) to be quite simplistic and actually takes away from my theory that they are partners. See scum being much more likely to attack town based on a "factual" point that's concrete and defendable. I'm somewhat put off that almost every post he made has been to conf-bias himself that Katsuki was scum (dwlee being painted making it more likely that Kats was not, Zulfy being painted making it more likely that Kats wasn't). I'm undecided on whether it's a hardcore bus (especially given late-game is the time when scum tend to bus most often) or confident town, or scum pushing a mislynch. Claiming that Katsuki was being bussed by Nahdia strikes me as somewhat of a stretch. From Katsuki's end, the only interactions I've seen was not wanting to lynch Spiffeh, but wanting to flip him on D2 which if they are partners, ira's slot would have been painted and Kats would be red. Not sure what to make of Post 1844.
dwlee-iraonavp- The only mentions Spiffeh made of dwlee is to call him town. dwlee is fairly high up in Smart's readslist in Post 995 and I don't see anything indicative either way. "Lean town" is a fairly common place to put a partner. But Post 1015 where Smart is super-focused on getting TBG to let go of a "townslip" from dwlee reads more like he's annoyed that a townie is correctly reading another. While I could see the possibility of him setting up TBG to fall if dwlee flips scum, I think it's less likely that just not wanting town to confirm each other unnecessarily. The comment on dwlee townslip in Post 1049 could go either way but I think Post 1411 is slightly more likely to be partner interaction between dwlee/Smart. Don't like the weak reasoning for townreading dwlee in Post 1749 and when it seemed like dwlee was a likely lynch, iraonavp switches from the Katsuki tunneling and has Nahdia/Chaos as the top suspect, so this could point to a dwlee partner.
In summary, I didn't get much out of Katsuki/TSQ and most of their interactions have been with flipped town. I see the Katsuki/Iraonavp pairing as the most likely one, with Katsuki/dwlee, not something I entirely rule out. Dwlee/Iraonavp seems like the least likely pairing. Going to look at individual actions now and interactions with Aristophanes.-
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Should we put out cookies for katsuki? I'm eager to get this mass claim done already.
Wingback you partners post is pretty good on first look. I will devote more time to it once we get claimed up. I'm actually more interested in your second post about interactions with ari.
I'm looking through ISOs as we wait but the sooner we get down mass claiming the better the reading will be.-
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Katsuki is deliberately avoiding the thread.
I already said that I'm VT...
I really think there is no blue paint in this game because it got scaled down. That's why I think Katsuki is scum-aligned, because he was unable to paint himself blue! And that's why he keeps insisting on it to reinforce this false assumption...-
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In post 161, beeboy wrote:
kIn post 160, Thestatusquo wrote:
-not caring about finding scum: check.In post 145, beeboy wrote:Like TSQ said earlier this game we are just doing arbitrary actions right now so none of his flailing really matters and we should still flip him.
-well poisoning: check.
-being a condescending asshole: check.
-doing nothing to help town: check.
cool. beeboy is still the same person.
nothing to see here. Pie, I want to go more in depth on some of the things you've said so I think its going to take a moment to get to you. I'm not ignoring you though.
Nothing happens in the thread between these posts, but 48 minutes pass!In post 163, beeboy wrote:I have an explanation for my scum read but TSQ is too childish to be worth playing with it seems.
@mod replace me out
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