Kids TV Show Characters Mafia - Endgame

[Grib]

I'm willing to just roll with "I'm town and thinking about xyz, this unknown person is thinking about xyz /without/ engaging with me, it's probably coming from the same alignment" instead of stewing in paranoia.

Literally my first game on site:

Me: "I'm townread Mara because she's saying a lot of things I agree with"

Nacho: "You probably shouldn't do that"

Mara was scum.

Sometimes the person is town. Sometimes they're scum. It happens.

I'm rolling with town for now.

[Grib]

Wait, since when were you townreading me?

[BROseidon]

Since you pivoted from "no u"ing and started being productive/not-terrible

[Grib]

Like.

Endgame is just a huge mess if you keep defending the null/hard to read players.

They have to be run up, eliminated, or proven town sooner rather than later, or you're just creating more work for town at endgame.

So you should stop defending people for "doing nothing" or whatever.

[Firebringer]

DS just smells like a mislynch to me

It doesn't look like that to me, care to explain that more?

[Grib]

Bro, I'm going to color your reads in on the Waco wagon. Violet > blue > green > gray > red, in order from towny to scummy.

[10]

Waco Kid

~

Fox McCloud

,

Cephrir

,

hiplop

,

Firebringer

,

keyenpeydee

,

kdowns

,

Spiffeh

,

BROseidon

,

DiamondSentinel

,

Transcend

Going off of your reads, you should think kdowns has a very, very high chance of being scum. In a cluster of votes, if you see TOWN TOWN TOWN TOWN TOWN UNKNOWN TOWN TOWN, the unknown(s) should be your first priority.

You haven't really engaged with kdowns at all, or made any attempt to get a read on him by asking others for their opinions of him. What you've done is tell him "no" when he requested we use the full Day to get more data, you claimed you "wouldn't try to stop a kdowns wagon," then later say the kdowns wagon is dumb. That's it.

Imperium attacked Waco for trying to lynch kdowns. Imperium also lightly praised one of kdowns' posts, even though the post itself was pretty bland.

What do you think of kdowns?

[Grib]

DS just smells like a mislynch to me

It doesn't look like that to me, care to explain that more?

It feels like he's getting a lot of unwarranted negative attention. His wagon keeps stalling, despite probably being the most unpopular living player (in terms of the number of times he's been the leading wagon). I think scum are content to let him ~almost get lynched for as long as possible.

[Firebringer]

I think a stalling wagon indicates he is more likely scum as then that means other scum are either defending him or not bussing.

[Spiffeh]

What makes DS's wagon a stalling wagon and kdowns' not?

[Cephrir]

Bro, I'm going to color your reads in on the Waco wagon. Violet > blue > green > gray > red, in order from towny to scummy.

[10]

Waco Kid

~

Fox McCloud

,

Cephrir

,

hiplop

,

Firebringer

,

keyenpeydee

,

kdowns

,

Spiffeh

,

BROseidon

,

DiamondSentinel

,

Transcend

Going off of your reads, you should think kdowns has a very, very high chance of being scum. In a cluster of votes, if you see TOWN TOWN TOWN TOWN TOWN UNKNOWN TOWN TOWN, the unknown(s) should be your first priority.

You haven't really engaged with kdowns at all, or made any attempt to get a read on him by asking others for their opinions of him. What you've done is tell him "no" when he requested we use the full Day to get more data, you claimed you "wouldn't try to stop a kdowns wagon," then later say the kdowns wagon is dumb. That's it.

Imperium attacked Waco for trying to lynch kdowns. Imperium also lightly praised one of kdowns' posts, even though the post itself was pretty bland.

What do you think of kdowns?

He JUST said he thinks Day 2 VCA is useless.

Let me ask you, when you're scum and you see five townies voting for the same person, do you panic and vote them immediately just to break up their sequence of votes on the wagon?

Of course not. Analysis like this is borne from a misunderstanding of probability.

[Spiffeh]

For the record "stalling wagon" has always been a terrible reason to scum read someone so please don't try to justify anything with that

[Gammagooey]

so I'm prob going to be a bit useless until I have time to reread either lateish tonight or tomorrow night

only things I have to say now are that grib looks a bit town for his recent posting and that if the wagons could be transmuted into kdowns+MoI it would be my dream come true.

[BROseidon]

Bro, I'm going to color your reads in on the Waco wagon. Violet > blue > green > gray > red, in order from towny to scummy.

[10]

Waco Kid

~

Fox McCloud

,

Cephrir

,

hiplop

,

Firebringer

,

keyenpeydee

,

kdowns

,

Spiffeh

,

BROseidon

,

DiamondSentinel

,

Transcend

Going off of your reads, you should think kdowns has a very, very high chance of being scum. In a cluster of votes, if you see TOWN TOWN TOWN TOWN TOWN UNKNOWN TOWN TOWN, the unknown(s) should be your first priority.

You haven't really engaged with kdowns at all, or made any attempt to get a read on him by asking others for their opinions of him. What you've done is tell him "no" when he requested we use the full Day to get more data, you claimed you "wouldn't try to stop a kdowns wagon," then later say the kdowns wagon is dumb. That's it.

Imperium attacked Waco for trying to lynch kdowns. Imperium also lightly praised one of kdowns' posts, even though the post itself was pretty bland.

What do you think of kdowns?

You make compelling points. I called the wagon dumb because of it detracting from the DS wagon and who was on it, but kdowns being lynched isn't something I'd lose sleep over help make happen.

[DiamondSentinel]

Bro, can you throw together a quick updated reads list? Just so they're all in one place.

Conftown:

Me
MJ

Town:

Firebringer
Spiffeh
Grib

Slight Town:

hiplop
Gamma
Ceph

Null:

Transcend
kraska
kdowns
Snarky

Scum:

MoI
DS
Zulfy

My read list is kind of wonky right now because my scum pool is probably 1 scum 2 town, but it's hard for me to saw which one of the three is the scum. There's probably 2 more scum after that - and my confidence would be that I'd expect 1.5 scum in that null group (so 50% chance that my slight town/town pool has me wrong somewhere)

1. You are by no stretch of the imagination conftown.
2. MJ is only conftown in your eyes.
3. How the fuck can you see both Spiffeh and hiplop as town. That is 100% a TvS fight there. Like, there is no way that is TvT.


This is the worst readlist I have seen yet.

[Grib]

Bro, I'm going to color your reads in on the Waco wagon. Violet > blue > green > gray > red, in order from towny to scummy.

[10]

Waco Kid

~

Fox McCloud

,

Cephrir

,

hiplop

,

Firebringer

,

keyenpeydee

,

kdowns

,

Spiffeh

,

BROseidon

,

DiamondSentinel

,

Transcend

Going off of your reads, you should think kdowns has a very, very high chance of being scum. In a cluster of votes, if you see TOWN TOWN TOWN TOWN TOWN UNKNOWN TOWN TOWN, the unknown(s) should be your first priority.

You haven't really engaged with kdowns at all, or made any attempt to get a read on him by asking others for their opinions of him. What you've done is tell him "no" when he requested we use the full Day to get more data, you claimed you "wouldn't try to stop a kdowns wagon," then later say the kdowns wagon is dumb. That's it.

Imperium attacked Waco for trying to lynch kdowns. Imperium also lightly praised one of kdowns' posts, even though the post itself was pretty bland.

What do you think of kdowns?

He JUST said he thinks Day 2 VCA is useless.

Let me ask you, when you're scum and you see five townies voting for the same person, do you panic and vote them immediately just to break up their sequence of votes on the wagon?

Of course not. Analysis like this is borne from a misunderstanding of probability.

It stands to reason that if you eliminate the townreads on a wagon, you have a selection of people who might be scum to focus on.

Like. It's a /focus point/. It's a way of going "these are the players I should spend the Day phase questioning."

What about this is bad?

[Grib]

Regardless of whether you pick the names from a wagon or a hat, you should bounce ideas off of townreads, question null reads, and push for scumreads to get lynched.

Looking at wagons is just one way to see whom you should focus on.

Turn your attention away from this and talk about reads or something. I feel like this line of discussion isn't going to go anywhere.

[DiamondSentinel]

I think a stalling wagon indicates he is more likely scum as then that means other scum are either defending him or not bussing.

Or that all the scum that want me dead are on there already, and the scum that would rather have someone else who is a more immediate threat lynched are not on there.


It's pretty simple.

Assuming there are 3 scum left, I'd assume there were 2 on and 1 off at max, so now I'd say there's likely 1 or 2 left on there, not counting the SK.

[Grib]

Bro, I'm going to color your reads in on the Waco wagon. Violet > blue > green > gray > red, in order from towny to scummy.

[10]

Waco Kid

~

Fox McCloud

,

Cephrir

,

hiplop

,

Firebringer

,

keyenpeydee

,

kdowns

,

Spiffeh

,

BROseidon

,

DiamondSentinel

,

Transcend

Going off of your reads, you should think kdowns has a very, very high chance of being scum. In a cluster of votes, if you see TOWN TOWN TOWN TOWN TOWN UNKNOWN TOWN TOWN, the unknown(s) should be your first priority.

You haven't really engaged with kdowns at all, or made any attempt to get a read on him by asking others for their opinions of him. What you've done is tell him "no" when he requested we use the full Day to get more data, you claimed you "wouldn't try to stop a kdowns wagon," then later say the kdowns wagon is dumb. That's it.

Imperium attacked Waco for trying to lynch kdowns. Imperium also lightly praised one of kdowns' posts, even though the post itself was pretty bland.

What do you think of kdowns?

You make compelling points. I called the wagon dumb because of it detracting from the DS wagon and who was on it, but kdowns being lynched isn't something I'd lose sleep over help make happen.

But what is your actual read on him? Are you going to attempt to solidify it, or just wait for him to maybe eventually get lynched?

[Grib]

Oh, another small hiplop thing I disliked but didn't mention: he claimed he knows how to read Nacho, followed his Waco push, then at some point toDay said that Nacho was obvious scum.

I have to double check the context to make sure he wasn't talking about another game.

[Grib]

Eh, can't control + F now. I'll look later.

[Cephrir]

Yeah whatever this is an unproductive disagreement.

[Cephrir]

DS, I don't really think any of your complaints about bro's read list are valid. You make it a reason to attack him for townreading two players you've arbitrarily decided can't both be town, and it's from his point of view, it's not supposed to be objective truth.

That doesn't make it bad

[Cephrir]

I wish we could stop talking about VCA though, because everyone thinks they can do it and no one actually can and when I see statements like "I think half the scum were on my wagon and half off" I just get sad about the state of human reasoning.

[Grib]

I'm not claiming anything of the sort. I'm asking Bro why he isn't turning his attention to a person he has no read on.

Do you have nothing to say about his kdowns read? Which, you know, I talked about in the other half of that post you keep ignoring.

[Grib]

A group of people lynched Waco. Bro is townreading most of them. He isn't really trying to get a better read on the dark spots.

Does there HAVE to be scum on the wagon? Of course not. It's not a requirement. But should be be poking at the null players to see that for himself? Absolutely.