Newbie 1735 - Banana Split (Game Over!)


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Post Post #450 (ISO) » Sat Aug 27, 2016 10:24 pm

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In post 449, Accountant wrote:If GM is scum she doesn't have to parrot anything, because nothing she says in response to your question is AI, because
the question itself is bad
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In the extreme case that this is true 100% of the time (which is a pretty disgusting position to take but w/e) both strategies, replying before or after, are equal so you still have no incentive to reply beforehand.

The next time you answer for someone else I am going to ignore you unless I think the way you do so is scummy per se.
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Post Post #451 (ISO) » Sat Aug 27, 2016 10:26 pm

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I'm not answering for her, I'm saying the question is utterly dumb and does not reveal anything about GM before or after so you should stop wasting everyone's time and flooding the thread as you like to do.
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Post Post #452 (ISO) » Sat Aug 27, 2016 10:29 pm

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The fact it may not be at all relevant to you does not mean it also is not for everyone else (although I realize you are either pretending to or playing so utterly dumb that you fail to appreciate the difference).
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Post Post #453 (ISO) » Sat Aug 27, 2016 10:31 pm

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In post 452, copper223 wrote:The fact it may not be at all relevant to you does not mean it also is not for everyone else (although I realize you are either pretending to or playing so utterly dumb that you fail to appreciate the difference).
the only people it's relevant to are people who are bad at playing mafia

you accused GM of planning her votes long-term, she said she was planning her votes "today" and "today" is not long term

that's it. end of story. literally nothing more to analyze there. you're trying to make it seem like it's not ended for god knows what reason
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Post Post #454 (ISO) » Sat Aug 27, 2016 10:32 pm

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Stop spamming the thread.
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Post Post #455 (ISO) » Sat Aug 27, 2016 10:37 pm

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At this point I think we should lynch copper, even if he's not scum, just so town can actually discuss without him inserting his pointless discussion into everything.
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Post Post #456 (ISO) » Sat Aug 27, 2016 10:49 pm

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You should not be allowed to play as an IC, we don't want new players to take up your bad habits.

I think Accountant is (atrocious) town, which means Dragon being so calm in the way he evaluated our back and forth but not demonstrating a strong awareness of the thread in general (like the way he asked GL who his top scumread was) may be king-making there, which in turn makes scum_GM a much more likely proposition.

Now I need the new player's perspective and the reactions to some prods.
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Post Post #457 (ISO) » Sat Aug 27, 2016 10:58 pm

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In post 437, copper223 wrote:
In post 332, goodmorning wrote:After rereading the game I'm pretty convinced both Scum are in {copper, Jae, Dragon} with DDD as the very unlikely side candidate.

I also would probably not vote Jae
today
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Why are you long-term planning your votes?

@Dragon
What do you think of GM?
I don't really have a strong read on her either way. Some of the things she's said seem towny, others more questionable. So yeah, my read on her is kinda neutral.
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In post 436, Dragonfire wrote:Who is your strongest scumread right now, GL, and why?
What do you think?
Well, I guess I'm stupid. I meant to ask you who your strongest
townread
was, but for some reason I wrote "scumread" instead. Who is your strongest townread anyway?
In post 456, copper223 wrote:You should not be allowed to play as an IC, we don't want new players to take up your bad habits.

I think Accountant is (atrocious) town, which means Dragon being so calm in the way he evaluated our back and forth but not demonstrating a strong awareness of the thread in general (like the way he asked GL who his top scumread was) may be king-making there, which in turn makes scum_GM a much more likely proposition.
As I just said to GL, I know perfectly well who his strongest scumread is; I meant to say "townread" instead. What do you mean by "king-making"? Is it something that scum or town do more often?
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Post Post #458 (ISO) » Sat Aug 27, 2016 11:02 pm

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"bad habits"? I'm not the one starting 3 page arguments about meaningless trivia here.
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Post Post #459 (ISO) » Sat Aug 27, 2016 11:18 pm

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In post 457, Dragonfire wrote:As I just said to GL, I know perfectly well who his strongest scumread is; I meant to say "townread" instead. What do you mean by "king-making"? Is it something that scum or town do more often?
It's when a scum player chooses between two townies which one to support.
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Post Post #460 (ISO) » Sat Aug 27, 2016 11:23 pm

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Okay copper for both our sanities let's agree to not talk to each other for the rest of today. We've made our respective stances clear already
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Post Post #461 (ISO) » Sun Aug 28, 2016 12:11 am

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@Dragon
Why did you want to know about GL's strongest town-read at the end of ?
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Post Post #462 (ISO) » Sun Aug 28, 2016 3:08 am

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In post 459, copper223 wrote:
In post 457, Dragonfire wrote:As I just said to GL, I know perfectly well who his strongest scumread is; I meant to say "townread" instead. What do you mean by "king-making"? Is it something that scum or town do more often?
It's when a scum player chooses between two townies which one to support.
Oh right. I've heard it before, but in the scenario of a neutral player (eg. survivor) deciding whether scum or town win the game. Either way, if I was kingmaking wouldn't I already have supported one of you over the other? Surely a hypothetical scum-me, having just replaced into the game, would just fabricate a scumread on the person who was most widely suspected (that is, you) and argue for your lynch?
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Why did you want to know about GL's strongest town-read at the end of ?
For the same reason why he asked me what my read on Accountant was - to get information and generate discussion. I might agree with or disagree with his strongest townread; if it was on a player who I currently read as null/no real read then I might learn something or see their posts in a new light. Or I might think GL was scum for it. Besides, we had to talk about something other than you and Accountant going at each other again and again for ages.

Why are you asking, anyway?
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Post Post #463 (ISO) » Sun Aug 28, 2016 3:27 am

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In post 462, Dragonfire wrote:Oh right. I've heard it before, but in the scenario of a neutral player (eg. survivor) deciding whether scum or town win the game. Either way, if I was kingmaking wouldn't I already have supported one of you over the other? Surely a hypothetical scum-me, having just replaced into the game, would just fabricate a scumread on the person who was most widely suspected (that is, you) and argue for your lynch?
Not necessarily, some scum players would rather fence sit on it and wait for the two townies to duke it out, then if the rest of the flock moves to support one of the two you blend in and follow, it depends how comfortable you would be taking heat for being one of the players pushing wagons.

There are other variables as well that might influence you as scum, like what your teammate would already be doing.
Why are you asking, anyway?
To test how likely it is that you really wanted to say "town-read" there. What do you think of GL's case on Jae?
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Post Post #464 (ISO) » Sun Aug 28, 2016 3:33 am

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people need to post
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Post Post #465 (ISO) » Sun Aug 28, 2016 3:34 am

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In post 463, copper223 wrote:
In post 462, Dragonfire wrote:Oh right. I've heard it before, but in the scenario of a neutral player (eg. survivor) deciding whether scum or town win the game. Either way, if I was kingmaking wouldn't I already have supported one of you over the other? Surely a hypothetical scum-me, having just replaced into the game, would just fabricate a scumread on the person who was most widely suspected (that is, you) and argue for your lynch?
Not necessarily, some scum players would rather fence sit on it and wait for the two townies to duke it out, then if the rest of the flock moves to support one of the two you blend in and follow, it depends how comfortable you would be taking heat for being one of the players pushing wagons.

There are other variables as well that might influence you as scum, like what your teammate would already be doing.
I guess, although if you read my scum-game on here you'll know that pushing wagons is what I do as scum, but then again it's all WiFOM... Who would you say my teammate is if I am scum?
Why are you asking, anyway?
To test how likely it is that you really wanted to say "town-read" there. What do you think of GL's case on Jae?
To be absolutely honest, I didn't really read his case on Jae that closely. I'll go back and read it now. I have Jae as null and GL as slight town right now fyi.
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Post Post #466 (ISO) » Sun Aug 28, 2016 3:49 am

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In post 465, Dragonfire wrote:I guess, although if you read my scum-game on here you'll know that pushing wagons is what I do as scum, but then again it's all WiFOM... Who would you say my teammate is if I am scum?
Nah I am not GM, the sample pool is really small if it's just one game but I'll check it out and if your play as scum is radically different I'll consider it as a somewhat valid point, although the fact you know about it makes you possibly able to adapt so as you mentioned there is a WIFOM element involved.

I would strongly suspect GM if you flip scum, she coached Asty a lot at the start of the game, he said he felt like he was disappointing his master at one point and that he is a terrible liar, so if he was scum he probably left tells around.

GM also left you out of the players she might or might not vote today while putting you in her scum-reads and that may be a slip on her part. Also the fact she spent some time telling DDD that the amished tell was debunked while still scum-reading you is somewhat curious.

Re Jae: Fair enough, that's also an interesting discussion.

I was more interest in why you thought discussing his strongest town-read was more valuable to you than asking him about his case on his scum-read Jae, if you hadn't formed an opinion on it, wouldn't that be an obvious place to start a discussion?
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Post Post #467 (ISO) » Sun Aug 28, 2016 6:33 am

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In post 466, copper223 wrote:
In post 465, Dragonfire wrote:I guess, although if you read my scum-game on here you'll know that pushing wagons is what I do as scum, but then again it's all WiFOM... Who would you say my teammate is if I am scum?
Nah I am not GM, the sample pool is really small if it's just one game but I'll check it out and if your play as scum is radically different I'll consider it as a somewhat valid point, although the fact you know about it makes you possibly able to adapt so as you mentioned there is a WIFOM element involved.

I would strongly suspect GM if you flip scum, she coached Asty a lot at the start of the game, he said he felt like he was disappointing his master at one point and that he is a terrible liar, so if he was scum he probably left tells around.

GM also left you out of the players she might or might not vote today while putting you in her scum-reads and that may be a slip on her part. Also the fact she spent some time telling DDD that the amished tell was debunked while still scum-reading you is somewhat curious.
Didn't she say that she would like to lynch me or you today? Another odd point about GM is that she hasn't given me a concrete reason for scumreading me, so I can't defend myself or argue for why I'm town.
Re Jae: Fair enough, that's also an interesting discussion.

I was more interest in why you thought discussing his strongest town-read was more valuable to you than asking him about his case on his scum-read Jae, if you hadn't formed an opinion on it, wouldn't that be an obvious place to start a discussion?
He hadn't really talked about his townreads yet, and I thought I'd rather ask him some questions that hadn't already been asked instead of just going over what had already been said and is known to all of us.

For the record, I've now read the case carefully and it has some merit. I'd consider voting Jae today, but not yet, since he hasn't been on for a while and I'd rather hear his opinions on the current discussion first. The same goes for Marian, Stapler's replacement and DDD.
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Post Post #468 (ISO) » Sun Aug 28, 2016 7:39 am

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For the record, I've now read the case carefully and it has some merit.
Tell me more.
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Post Post #469 (ISO) » Sun Aug 28, 2016 9:52 am

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In post 468, Accountant wrote:

For the record, I've now read the case carefully and it has some merit.
Tell me more.
I like some of the points GL made on Jae. Do you want me to give specifics?
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Post Post #470 (ISO) » Sun Aug 28, 2016 1:31 pm

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VC 1.07
Accountant (1):
MaidMarian
Dragonfire (1):
ironstove
JaeReed (2):
GuiltyLion, copper223
copper223 (3):
goodmorning, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Accountant
GuiltyLion (1):
JaeReed

Not Voting:
Dragonfire


With
9
votes,
5
votes to lynch.


The deadline is in (expired on 2016-09-02 15:38:07).


Sorry for delayed VC. My weekend was a literal hell.
ironstove replaces StaplerTowel.
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Post Post #471 (ISO) » Sun Aug 28, 2016 4:22 pm

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Yes. GL made quite a few - I'm interested in what caught your eye.
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Post Post #472 (ISO) » Sun Aug 28, 2016 10:11 pm

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Urgh I'm having trouble getting into this after my depressive bout. Been trying to read up all day and I just keep getting distracted. Can someone sum up major points they want me to look at/answer to help get back in the game?

An aside - Accountant was the one with a townread on me yeah? Not entirely comfortable with that considering how I haven't been in the game, but also, I want to note that every time I've checked the thread I don't feel like they've been tunneled too hard on any one player? Can I get confirmation of that? In the mini normal we played together, it was pretty much a hard tunnel on a scumbuddy from the start.
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Post Post #473 (ISO) » Sun Aug 28, 2016 10:29 pm

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I'm tunneling copper. If I'm town, then the tunnel must be good. If I'm scum, then I must be tunnelling a scumbuddy. Either way, copper is scum.

QED, lynch copper quick
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Post Post #474 (ISO) » Sun Aug 28, 2016 10:30 pm

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@Jae
Accountant is pretty set on me Jae, so no.

What I think is important this game:

- Check out my posting after GL and DDD entered the game back on page 8/9, I claim I was reaction testing them, GM, Accountant and DDD are bringing that to question while Dragon and now GL seem to believe I am telling the truth, what is your opinion?

- After that it's been a back and forth between DDD and I first, then Accountant and GM vs me, until Dragon replaced where the focus has partially switched to his views.
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