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[Naomi-Tan]

Hmm.. can you not Town!Read those posts? Cause.. Im interupting them differently so.. I guess this is a case of interruption making the difference.

[xyzzy]

is rolefishing a neighborhood scummy? like they can be either alignment so...?

I've not actually ever played a game with neighborhoods before (I'm pretty sure, anyway? I don't think they were even a thing 8 years ago), and in retrospect, you're right that that's generally a null tell.

pages 5-8:

104 (pistachi0n): this isn't a good post. by page 4 you should have something to say about your vote for sure.
108 (Transcend): I also get a bit of a bad vibe from Creature.
110 (Transcend): I really don't like this post at all.
112 (Transcend): this is a terrible post for so many reasons, including the fact that, if you genuinely believe 2 people are masons, saying so on day 1 is basically just super unhelpful. why point out that possibility to scum if instead you can just quietly note it in case it becomes useful later?
122 (Transcend): Transcend, would you be willing to comment on what made you make this post?
124 (Transcend: I've already said this, but I don't like the way Transcend sets up looking at me as scum; the only valid response to this is "I disagree" because it's completely subjective.
127 (Naomi-Tan): I agree with this; if you condense your scum reads to 3 people and say "okay these people are scum" it's way too easy to ignore everyone else.
128 (Killthestory): what's TvT stand for?
135 (Transcend): why did you feel the need to make this post? it feels annoying and unhelpful.
140 (light_ganski): it's interesting that light_ganski went from reading Naomi-Tan as null-scum to town from post 107 to 140. this post is okay.
142 (Transcend): this is an okay post.
143 (Creature): I'm not a fan of this post and I disagree.
152 (Naomi-Tan): I think gut reads are absolutely fine as long as you make it clear that that's what they are.
156 (Creature): I don't like this post.
158 (Creature): another Creature post that I dislike.
161 (BlackStar): you're one to talk.
163 (BlackStar): not voting for someone early on is a null tell most of the time.
164 (Creature): looking back at post 81, I agree with this.
165 (Transcend): this is a pretty reasonable reads list. I obviously disagree with the assertion that you've explained your suspicion toward me to any reasonable extent, but most of the others feel okay.
168 (Naomi-Tan): a moderately filler-y post about a pretty filler-y post.
180 (Creature): this is a thing Creature has said that I agree with.
182 (Io): this is a really bad post
184 (Vedith): not a huge fan of this post.
185 (Vedith): y'know, you've still not actually clarified whether you were serious or not. 186 points toward you being serious, but you've not explicitly answered that question.
188 (Io): this defense of post 81 from Io seems... reasonable.
189 (Vedith): Vedith continues to make unclear posts that do not significantly contribute to the game.
197 (Creature): this is a valid point.
199 (Transcend): more Transcend role fishing.

rest is coming later because it's 3:17 am

Why is it that most of your commentary, xyzzy, is stuff like "bad post," "OK post," etc. Giving nothing but baseline good or bad, and then you only go into depth with Transcend's posts. I understand he's your top scum read, but like if you're going to go post by post saying waht you think you could at least give the same level of thought to all the posts you are looking at. Especially since you are analyzing about a forth or fifth of all post which would be around 80-110 posts when you are done.

I have some posts where I don't have a lot to say and just say "this is good" or "this is bad" for basically everyone including Transcend, and a reasonable number of posts with more to say as well for a wide variety of people; it's true that I focus more on Transcend, but Transcend is one of the people who's posted the most, so obviously he's going to have more posts that I have things to say about them most people, and Creature, the only person with more posts, has a lot of really filler-y posts.

Five pages in, and, so, xyzzy's scum.

putting someone that close to dead when we're like 8(?) hours in is irresponsible because, like, what if someone comes in and says "hey haven't read the thread yet but here's my vote" and hammers him out of nowhere? like, they would immediately become suspicious, but it'd be the sort of thing that would still be possible to play off as a mistake.

Completely disregards the chance Jordarrian's scum, which probably means xyzzy know's he's town.

not putting someone at L-2 that early isn't an indication that I'm ignoring the possibility that that person is scum. I'm not going to put someone that close to a lynch that early in the game because that would be a really big misplay.

xyzzy, you have posts you dislike from a bunch of people, did you decide which of them is scum?

I'm planning on posting a reads list once I get caught up with my reread.

Naomi-Tan, the post #s are visible at the top of each post, so you don't need to open each link on my reread posts; I provide them so you can easily look at any individual post, but you can just scroll through the thread like normal and check the numbers.

[Transcend]

they can be either alignment and there's not more of one than the other i think. like it's ore likely for town to have a vig vs. scum having a vig.

[Naomi-Tan]

Yeah but you linked a massive amount and it takes me like 1-2m to load the webpage each refresh :/ It would take me on that post quoted; 42 minutes to open each referenced part

[xyzzy]

you don't need to click each link, though; for my first post like that, for instance, you just need to view the first 4 pages of the thread.



do you see where it says "Post #453" there? you can just follow along with the numbers by having one window with my post and one with the thread, and then you don't need to open a bunch of pages.

[Naomi-Tan]

Yes thats fine for one link but you made 28 links in your last post

[Transcend]

dumb question, but how do you change the background on the site?

[xyzzy]

right, but, like, let's look at how I formatted post 381—I reference posts 5, 6, 19, 20 and 24, which all appear on page 1. even though it's 5 links, you just have to open the first page of the thread, and then you can just check the numbers. there's no need to open all 5 links, because the first page of the thread has all 5 of those posts. for my most recent post like that, those 28 links are spread over 4 pages, so you don't need to open all 28 of them; you just have to open pages 5 though 8.

Transcend, go to the board preferences page in the user control panel and look at the option labeled "my board style" and you can pick one of the options there.

[Transcend]

meh all the styles are awful. sticking to black!

[Transcend]

Anyways bs'd reads #2

{Naomi, KTS}
{BlackStar}
{Massive, Io, Creature, Skelda}
{Jord, Pista}
{Light}
{Vedith, xyzzy}

Some changes:

1. Naomi is now in the top tier, no way she flips wolf.
2. Creature and Io out of the scumpool and into the town pool. I've been pleased with their posts as of lately.
3. BlackStar moves up a tier because I think his case on me albeit wrong was genuine and town processed.
4. Jorda moves to the null tier because I decided that his reaction to the BW could easily be faked when I initially dismissed it as town.
5. Pretty sure xyzzy was the only person I've had in the bottom tier, but I've now moved Vedith there. His vote compared to his reads looks inconsistent and he's never justified himself.
6. Massive's analysis of xyzzy was really good and something I agreed with. He didn't go too far in depth but he moves into the more townier than not tier.
7. Skelda's vote on KTS doesn't look like a wolf vote so I also put him in the same tier as massive.
8. I have 3 people in the scum tiers now as opposed to 5. Obviously I expect to be wrong on at least one, but I'd like to think I have at least one wolf in the bottom 3 tiers to focus on. Leaning heavily towards Vedith or xyzzy rope.

[Vedith]

Sorry guys been trying to recover this weekend from a chest infection.
Trans scum reading me is lazy as fuck all I'm saying there.

[Transcend]

Hope you feel better fromthe chest infection

But please explain your BlackStar scumread, why it was heavier than your Ligh scumread, and tell me if it holds true now.

[Vedith]

Thanks Trans

Blackstar us just obvious scum. If you ask if he's scum I Ber he says no... just like scum would.
Light I don't have a scum read on... where are you getting this information? From Blackstar in your PT?

Why is Blackstar not scum for you?

[Transcend]

3. BlackStar moves up a tier because I think his case on me albeit wrong was genuine and town processed.

wanna actually answer my question and not force lines in the process?

[Vedith]

3. BlackStar moves up a tier because I think his case on me albeit wrong was genuine and town processed.

wanna actually answer my question and not force lines in the process?

You're reason for not scum reading him is shit. He made a shit case on you and now he's all good.
Lazy Trans is a disappointing Trans.

Looks to me that you are budding up to Blackstar and the only reason you are voting me is because I'm voting your buddy

[Transcend]

i think his case on me wasn't lazy..?

[BlackStar]

Thanks Trans

Blackstar us just obvious scum. If you ask if he's scum I Ber he says no... just like scum would.
Light I don't have a scum read on... where are you getting this information? From Blackstar in your PT?

Why is Blackstar not scum for you?

It sounds like you're trolling lol.

[Transcend]

we might be getting trolled actually. i flat out have trolltunneled a few people in this game. don't see why others wouldn't either.

[massive]

Five pages in, and, so, xyzzy's scum.

putting someone that close to dead when we're like 8(?) hours in is irresponsible because, like, what if someone comes in and says "hey haven't read the thread yet but here's my vote" and hammers him out of nowhere? like, they would immediately become suspicious, but it'd be the sort of thing that would still be possible to play off as a mistake.

Completely disregards the chance Jordarrian's scum, which probably means xyzzy know's he's town.

not putting someone at L-2 that early isn't an indication that I'm ignoring the possibility that that person is scum. I'm not going to put someone that close to a lynch that early in the game because that would be a really big misplay.

Why would someone be suspicious for no-read-hammering someone if the lynchee was scum?

[light_ganski]

Blackstar us just obvious scum.

How so, vedith? I mean he's not exactly towny but there's scummier looking people including yourself imo

Also why are you so interested in transcend not scum reading him?

[BlackStar]

Ignore him. He's made nothing but troll posts throughout this game. He won't give any real reason for scum reading me, he called you my scum buddy because you thought he scum read you. And did you see when he said that I'm scum because if someone asked me if I'm scum I'd say no? Lol it's obvious that he's not taking this seriously

[massive]

Ignore him. He's made nothing but troll posts throughout this game. He won't give any real reason for scum reading me, he called you my scum buddy because you thought he scum read you. And did you see when he said that I'm scum because if someone asked me if I'm scum I'd say no? Lol it's obvious that he's not taking this seriously

Transcend, what do you think about this post?

[Vedith]

How so, vedith? I mean he's not exactly towny but there's scummier looking people including yourself imo

Also why are you so interested in transcend not scum reading him?

Okay, who? I mean, I know I'm town so tell me who else I should be looking at in your opinion. Give your reasons while you're at it.
I want to know how Trans is thinking. Does it worry you that I'm questioning Trans?

[Vedith]

Ignore him. He's made nothing but troll posts throughout this game. He won't give any real reason for scum reading me,

he called you my scum buddy because you thought he scum read you

. And did you see when he said that I'm scum because if someone asked me if I'm scum I'd say no? Lol it's obvious that he's not taking this seriously

When did I call him your scum buddy?
That's a lie off the bat.

I've actually clarified twice before this post that I am not scum reading Light.

This is Blackstar not reading the game, and trying to discredit a scum read on him.

My scum read is 100% serious, and his response of "He must be trolling" is a lot worse than my reasoning.

[BlackStar]

Thanks Trans

Blackstar us just obvious scum. If you ask if he's scum I Ber he says no... just like scum would.
Light I don't have a scum read on... where are you getting this information?

From Blackstar in your PT?

Why is Blackstar not scum for you?

You said it right there