Newbie 1735 - Banana Split (Game Over!)

[GuyInFreezer]

VC 1.08 - Reposted for Page top

Accountant (1):

MaidMarian

Dragonfire (2):

ironstove, copper223

JaeReed (1):

GuiltyLion

copper223 (3):

goodmorning, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Accountant

Not Voting:

Dragonfire, JaeReed

With

9

votes,

5

votes to lynch.

The deadline is in (expired on 2016-09-02 15:38:07).

Sorry for delayed VC. My weekend was a literal hell.
ironstove replaces StaplerTowel.

[copper223]

@GIF

The deadline is in 4 days, 1 hour, 25 minutes.

Can we have an extension? We've spent most of the day with inactive slots.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Why does she have an obligation to help someone she's scum reading by providing them reasons to be argued and refuted?

Because if she's town, she doesn't want to mislynch a townie, so she would want to give them a chance to defend themselves and make a case for why they're town. A townie who refuses to discuss their scumreads or even consider that they're town is either deathtunneling or a bad player.

First, the two previous sections I omitted weren't addressed to you and at least one of your points destroyed the important context of the discussion to argue for the sake of arguing. Not interested.

Second, you and copper seem to make the same mistake, that every post in the game should be weighted exactly the same and that everything you do needs to be full bore on target. But that's not how mafia works and it's frustrating to me that you guys don't get that or are pretending not to get it. In this case, GM appears to prefer a copper lynch to your lynch; in the interest of transparency and future development she notes that she thinks you're scum but if she provided reasons then you'd start arguing about them and maybe someone else would chime in on the topic and attention would be drawn away from where she wants it, copper. Now that's just speculation but it would be my logic in her shoes. Mafia isn't just a game of being right and it's not just a game of persuasion, it's a game of momentum, and motivation, and social dynamics. And when you and copper argue over process it's very hard for me to tell whether you're just misguided or if you're trying to drown the town in these things that don't matter.

[Dragonfire]

Why does she have an obligation to help someone she's scum reading by providing them reasons to be argued and refuted?

Because if she's town, she doesn't want to mislynch a townie, so she would want to give them a chance to defend themselves and make a case for why they're town. A townie who refuses to discuss their scumreads or even consider that they're town is either deathtunneling or a bad player.

First, the two previous sections I omitted weren't addressed to you and at least one of your points destroyed the important context of the discussion to argue for the sake of arguing. Not interested.

Second, you and copper seem to make the same mistake, that every post in the game should be weighted exactly the same and that everything you do needs to be full bore on target. But that's not how mafia works and it's frustrating to me that you guys don't get that or are pretending not to get it. In this case, GM appears to prefer a copper lynch to your lynch; in the interest of transparency and future development she notes that she thinks you're scum but if she provided reasons then you'd start arguing about them and maybe someone else would chime in on the topic and attention would be drawn away from where she wants it, copper. Now that's just speculation but it would be my logic in her shoes. Mafia isn't just a game of being right and it's not just a game of persuasion, it's a game of momentum, and motivation, and social dynamics. And when you and copper argue over process it's very hard for me to tell whether you're just misguided or if you're trying to drown the town in these things that don't matter.

I'm not sure what you mean. In my opinion, people should share their thought processes and reasons for things they do in the interest of transparency and future development, to quote you. I guess suppressing one scumread for the sake of focusing on a top scumread is a viable tactic, but it deprives the town of information. How am I arguing over processes? I'm not sure I understand that, could you please clarify?

[ironstove]

Lmfao four days left.

I have not read anything yet but I'll claim since it looks like lylo

I'm VT n I'll go back to read when I have a chance but idk how much time will be left in the game once I've caught up

[copper223]

... this is day 1 and in this setup you can't have lylo before day 3.

[Dragonfire]

Lmfao four days left.

I have not read anything yet but I'll claim since it looks like lylo

I'm VT n I'll go back to read when I have a chance but idk how much time will be left in the game once I've caught up

That claim wasn't necessary.... it's still Day One But welcome! I hope you don't get too lost or confused by all the arguing here.

[JaeReed]

I think it's not such a bad case to make at the start of D1 if you haven't played with Jae

GL has played with me twice.
Once in Undertale mafia, and once in a newbie we both replaced into (Thor was scum).

[ironstove]

VOTE: Accountant

[copper223]

@Jae

GL has played with me twice.
Once in Undertale mafia, and once in a newbie we both replaced into (Thor was scum).

I'll try to check them out but I told you why he looks town to me despite the initial impression.

@Iron
Let us know when you're caught up.

[JaeReed]

@Jae

I mean, we'll see. But generally I have a lot of mixed feelings about Jae and they don't make me want to put a vote there at all.

Does this make sense to you?

It makes sense and I'm not commenting further on that.

Why does she have an obligation to help someone she's scum reading by providing them reasons to be argued and refuted?

Because if she's town, she doesn't want to mislynch a townie, so she would want to give them a chance to defend themselves and make a case for why they're town. A townie who refuses to discuss their scumreads or even consider that they're town is either deathtunneling or a bad player.

QFT

Besides, we had to talk about something other than you and Accountant going at each other again and again for ages.

Why are you asking, anyway?

I swear, every time I decide to vote Dragon, he posts something like this and I change my mind.

For the record, why did what I posted make you change your mind? Looking at the post, nothing really jumps out at me.

I had this thought too, ftr. I don't think there was anything AI in that quote.

If you think I'm implying what I think you think I'm implying, you're not wrong. But I do it as all alignments, because it's really beneficial.

I think I might know what you're implying, but I'm not going to say.

Then why tf did you comment on it -.-

[goodmorning]

Besides, we had to talk about something other than you and Accountant going at each other again and again for ages.

Why are you asking, anyway?

I swear, every time I decide to vote Dragon, he posts something like this and I change my mind.

For the record, why did what I posted make you change your mind? Looking at the post, nothing really jumps out at me.

I shouldn't townread sass, BUT I DO.

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I kind of want to vote Dragon now but not really explain it.

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@ironstove: Hi! Please explain the Accountant vote and also catch up ASAP.

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p-edit: i'm not actively trying to lynch dragon atm though

^^^(but ytf did he comment on it, eh?)

[Accountant]

Nothing written on this page so far helps town, except for the VC and deadline extension request.

@iron what led you to the conclusion it was LyLo??

[copper223]

But there you're assuming that he was lying about it being a reaction test. If he's lying then, hypocritical or not, it makes him scum, as a townie wouldn't lie about something like that. So there's no point in calling him hypocritical in this case.

This is a decent point that I did not notice the first time around.

@Iron
What did you make of DDD's first post?

[Dragonfire]

VOTE: Accountant

Can you explain this please? I understand that you're trying hard to catch up, but we'd like to hear the thought process behind the vote.

Why does she have an obligation to help someone she's scum reading by providing them reasons to be argued and refuted?

Because if she's town, she doesn't want to mislynch a townie, so she would want to give them a chance to defend themselves and make a case for why they're town. A townie who refuses to discuss their scumreads or even consider that they're town is either deathtunneling or a bad player.

QFT

What does that mean, can you clarify please?

[Accountant]

quoted for truth. it means "i agree".

[Dragonfire]

quoted for truth. it means "i agree".

Oh, okay. Thanks

[GuyInFreezer]

GuiltyLion has been prodded.
MaidMarian will be replaced for failing to pick up the prod.

The deadline has been frozen at 3 days 5 hours mark.

[ironstove]

Ok, I'm caught up.

VOTE: copper

See you guys later.

[ironstove]

Just kidding, I'll be here throughout the day

[ironstove]

By the way, I think my vote puts copper at L-1.

[Accountant]

You have to actually answer the questions people ask you

[ironstove]

You have to actually answer the questions people ask you

Are you making up rules now?

[GuiltyLion]

Hi, sorry about the prod, I was busy Sunday/Monday and this game keeps advancing by many pages when I'm unavailable which makes it tough for me to process it all and catch up in one go. I'm still here, I'll reread everything and post later today.

[ironstove]

UNVOTE: copper[/vote]

VOTE: Accountant