Newbie 1735 - Banana Split (Game Over!)

[Accountant]

Ddd isnt obliged to do anything because hes town

You're obliged to do shit because you'll do nothing unless we force you

[ironstove]

With that said, upon further review of the case files laid out before me, I find the counsel's choice to suggest GM for the gallows to be an appropriate one, however this is a candidate whom we can bestow a temporary amnesty for the time being as the prior case files regarding the accused have yet to be fully examined.

[ironstove]

Ddd isnt obliged to do anything because hes town

You're obliged to do shit because you'll do nothing unless we force you

What did you force me to do again?

[ironstove]

I soar free like the falcon over the great plains, unrestricted by the shackles which you try to latch upon me, your pathetic humanly reach can only touch the vast shadows I effortlessly cast below.

[Accountant]

I think you should replace out and focus on writing your book of poetry

[copper223]

You are playing in the wrong forum if that's the case, this game is for them.

Iron is giving reads, posting in an entertaining fashion I am perfectly fine with if there is substance.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

(for example, in the post you say you townread drealmerz based on his joke post. I took your claimed "townread" on him to be a joke, like his original post. But then you later say that you do townread him for that reason. How was his joke at all alignment indicative?)

Here's the issue, why are you just asking this question of me now? Both you and copper don't bother talking with me, don't bother asking specific questions; you label my post weird and/or scummy and that get further baffled when I attack that. If you were actually interested in the answer to this question, this wouldn't be the first time you brought it up.

It's not like DDD is obliged to immediately respond when someone calls him out. If he was scum he could have mulled and made up something truly plausible and take his own sweet time.

Let's turn this around; if he was town, what motivation would he have for townreading people based on jokes, and then attacking people when they said it was rather weird? To me that reads like scum trying to cover up for their mistake.

Because it is possible to townread someone for a joke and I try not to make up reasons why I think someone is town or scum when I have real ones?

Iron is giving reads, posting in an entertaining fashion I am perfectly fine with if there is substance.

There isn't.

[ironstove]

Upon review of the evidence files I have decided to clear GM of any charges of wrongdoing. Court adjourned!

[copper223]

There isn't.

Man this guy is unbearable.

[goodmorning]

I was kind of ignoring that whole thing because I thought it was silly, can someone give me a quick summary?

Read DDD's first "catch-up" post and then his replies to copper after that. He basically quoted a lot of posts and then gave seemingly random reads at the conclusion of his post (for instance he said he townread drealmerz solely based off drealmerz's joke "Banana Split" post). I could see it being a joke, but he maintains that he was being serious. See copper's below post:

No Jae, the first post that DDD makes and then his reply when I accuse him of selecting posts that don't match the reads that he gives at the end.

Yeah, no, that's the bit that doesn't make sense to me. Idk about you, but I can see (or at least make an educated guess) where his reads are coming from. Like, that's how catch-ups work; you quote things that seem important and/or you want to respond to especially. You can't quote every single post because it would be a waste of everyone's time.

@ironstove: Please stop being useless.

Will you keep saying I'm useless when DDD flips mafia?

A. I'm feeling reasonably confident at this point that he won't.
B. Even if he does, your only contribution to the wagon will have been a naked vote.

So yes. Wholeheartedly.

she's softballing iron for no conceivable reason

I mean, I have just called him useless. I think I may have also expounded my reasons for not wanting to move my vote; to those you can add that I think it would make literally no difference. We could run ironstove up to L-1 and he'd still just be a troll.

You are playing in the wrong forum if that's the case, this game is for them.

Iron is giving reads, posting in an entertaining fashion I am perfectly fine with if there is substance.

Naked reads aren't substance at all.

There isn't.

Man this guy is unbearable.

POT, MEET KETTLE.

[copper223]

Naked reads aren't substance at all.

That's not all that he has posted.

[Dragonfire]

I just don't buy that DDD decided to stoke shit up by doing the banana thing. He could have townread drealmerz for any other number of reasonds, even piggybacking off my post explaining why I stopped sring drealmerz. Mafia who wants to write a plausible post doesn't go off about how banana split analysis makes someone town. Mafia who are not invested in the game doesn't make a big post detailing their reactions to stuff and making cases.

He's town worth wking because there can only be two mafia and the list of people scummier than him is fat enough I'm pretty sure both mafia are in there.

"Fat enough"? So far you've only expressed suspicion of copper, iron and me (I think?). That's hardly enough to guarantee both mafia are in there IMO. Are you that certain of your scumreading ability that you're willing to hard-defend an unknown based on PoE? This seems unlikely to me.

People who are scummier than DDD:

GM, dragon, copper, iron, drealmerz(close but slightly scummier)

It's absolutely batshit insane to lynch DDD while all five of these people still breathe oxygen

So you only have two townreads, GL and Jae, and you scumread everybody else??

Accountant, run me through with handy post links why DDD is town? I'll get back to this in the morning when I'm not so drunk. I think you should remove drealmer and iron from your list. I can understand dragon bc it seems like a lot of hedging (639 for an example, copper brought up an issue as well wrt to lots of analysis but then no read following). Why is GM scummier? Did I miss something or do you disbelieve her responses to me nullifying shit?

What do you mean by "hedging"? Are you talking about when I discussed reasons for why he could be scum and reasons for why he might be town in the same post? And I've already given reads on people, do I need to keep giving them again and again?

You are playing in the wrong forum if that's the case, this game is for them.

Iron is giving reads, posting in an entertaining fashion I am perfectly fine with if there is substance.

I've seen one post from iron that has any substance at all in it, and that was his reply to your question about DDD. Even that barely had any substance. So why are you claiming he does? Quote any of his posts which you think have substance.

(for example, in the post you say you townread drealmerz based on his joke post. I took your claimed "townread" on him to be a joke, like his original post. But then you later say that you do townread him for that reason. How was his joke at all alignment indicative?)

Here's the issue, why are you just asking this question of me now? Both you and copper don't bother talking with me, don't bother asking specific questions; you label my post weird and/or scummy and that get further baffled when I attack that. If you were actually interested in the answer to this question, this wouldn't be the first time you brought it up.

It wasn't the first time I brought it up; I was talking about it around the time when you were suggesting that copper was scum because only he thought your post was weird.

Because it is possible to townread someone for a joke and I try not to make up reasons why I think someone is town or scum when I have real ones?

Explain why you found his joke towny (or AI at all for that matter) because nobody else is seeing it.

[copper223]

@Dragon
How about 648 and 649?

[goodmorning]

Naked reads aren't substance at all.

That's not all that he has posted.

No, he's also posted a shitload of fluff.

People who are scummier than DDD:

GM, dragon, copper, iron, drealmerz(close but slightly scummier)

It's absolutely batshit insane to lynch DDD while all five of these people still breathe oxygen

So you only have two townreads, GL and Jae, and you scumread everybody else??

ugh, not you too

[Dragonfire]

@Dragon
How about 648 and 649?

#649 is nothing but fluff, #648 does have substance, but it's only two lines of substance.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

It wasn't the first time I brought it up; I was talking about it around the time when you were suggesting that copper was scum because only he thought your post was weird.

You brought it up once, in the same context of not getting my initial post which I probably interpreted at the time as more hostile than it was and then never followed up.

Explain why you found his joke towny (or AI at all for that matter) because nobody else is seeing it.

No, you and copper apparently can't see it, I have no idea what iron does or does not see and no one else seems to think it's a strange position. But newb-scum have two possible routes they go, they either are lost about how to fake scum hunt and their biggest priority is failing into the background where no one notices them and they can let their partner do the heavy lifting or they chime in to promote a town/town fight, they do not crack jokes unrelated to anything else that would draw attention more attention to them. Or, they know how to fake scum hunt and they are very good and very thorough projecting the right image of industrious scumhunting, however, they almost always lack levity because they're focused on their act and thus don't tell unrelated jokes. A joke like that comes from someone who is very comfortable in their position and new scum almost never is.

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@Dragon
How about 648 and 649?

Good joke.

[copper223]

@Dragon
How about 648 and 649?

#649 is nothing but fluff, #648 does have substance, but it's only two lines of substance.

648 is the same point you were making to Accountant without the added sensationalism you put which I was not a great fan of "is everyone else scum then???"
649 is not fluff, it's legitimate for him to question why Accountant handles DDD in one way and himself in another, Accountant's reply (because DDD is town) acknowledges there was a point there otherwise he would not have answered, yes?

[copper223]

Good joke.

The joke is the read you just gave.

[Dragonfire]

No, you and copper apparently can't see it, I have no idea what iron does or does not see and no one else seems to think it's a strange position. But newb-scum have two possible routes they go, they either are lost about how to fake scum hunt and their biggest priority is failing into the background where no one notices them and they can let their partner do the heavy lifting or they chime in to promote a town/town fight, they do not crack jokes unrelated to anything else that would draw attention more attention to them. Or, they know how to fake scum hunt and they are very good and very thorough projecting the right image of industrious scumhunting, however, they almost always lack levity because they're focused on their act and thus don't tell unrelated jokes. A joke like that comes from someone who is very comfortable in their position and new scum almost never is.

Thank you. This is what I wanted to hear a couple of pages ago. I actually agree with this. I should probably re-evaluate my read on you with this in mind and see if I still think you're scum.

@Dragon
How about 648 and 649?

#649 is nothing but fluff, #648 does have substance, but it's only two lines of substance.

648 is the same point you were making to Accountant without the added sensationalism you put which I was not a great fan of "is everyone else scum then???"
649 is not fluff, it's legitimate for him to question why Accountant handles DDD in one way and himself in another, Accountant's reply (because DDD is town) acknowledges there was a point there otherwise he would not have answered, yes?

#649 sure looks like fluff to me.

@Iron:

If you want to make a serious point, please make it easy for us to understand, rather than coating it in layers of dense fluff.

To be honest, I don't see why you're so fervently defending everything iron says. It's not as if he's contributing to the town at all.

[copper223]

To be honest, I don't see why you're so fervently defending everything iron says. It's not as if he's contributing to the town at all.

I'm defending him a bit more than usual because I find the the positions of my fellow SE (who told him to replace out) and the IC (who said he is useless) pretty disgusting given the setting of this game.

I also think those accusations are unfair, now if you want my support for explaining your reads instead of plopping a name out you have it and I already said I found Iron's posting troll early on (so where do you get me defending

everything

he posts?) and considered a pressure vote before noticing it would likely be a waste of time.

[Dragonfire]

To be honest, I don't see why you're so fervently defending everything iron says. It's not as if he's contributing to the town at all.

I'm defending him a bit more than usual because I find the the positions of my fellow SE (who told him to replace out) and the IC (who said he is useless) pretty disgusting given the setting of this game.

I also think those accusations are unfair, now if you want my support for explaining your reads instead of plopping a name out you have it and I already said I found Iron's posting troll early on (so where do you get me defending

everything

he posts?) and considered a pressure vote before noticing it would likely be a waste of time.

I see where you're coming from now. I just found it a bit odd that you were backing him up and acting as if he was contributing a lot more than he was. I admit I was exaggerating when I said he wasn't contributing at all, but he really isn't doing much to help as it is.

[copper223]

I don't know how much he is helping if he is town, it depends on how good his reads are and from where I am sitting he can't be that far off the mark.

It's also a good experience for you if you're town, you'll quickly realize that although you have some ideas of how town is supposed to play (which look close to mine by the way) many are not going to cooperate with you and trying to change them is just going to lead to arguments or even worse mutual tunneling while scum laughs in the background, so you have to make do with what you've got and learn to read and play with different play-styles from yours.

[Dragonfire]

I don't know how much he is helping if he is town, it depends on how good his reads are and from where I am sitting he can't be that far off the mark.

It's also a good experience for you if you're town, you'll quickly realize that although you have some ideas of how town is supposed to play (which look close to mine by the way) many are not going to cooperate with you and trying to change them is just going to lead to arguments or even worse mutual tunneling while scum laughs in the background, so you have to make do with what you've got and learn to read and play with different play-styles from yours.

Yeah, I'm learning that all too quickly playing this game

[goodmorning]

To be honest, I don't see why you're so fervently defending everything iron says. It's not as if he's contributing to the town at all.

I'm defending him a bit more than usual because I find the the positions of my fellow SE (who told him to replace out) and the IC (who said he is useless) pretty disgusting given the setting of this game.

I also think those accusations are unfair, now if you want my support for explaining your reads instead of plopping a name out you have it and I already said I found Iron's posting troll early on (so where do you get me defending

everything

he posts?) and considered a pressure vote before noticing it would likely be a waste of time.

He's played a Newbie game in which he proved he knows how to contribute. In this Newbie game, he's being a trolling asshole.

Maybe I'd have had more patience for him if I hadn't already wasted buckets of it down the bottomless pit that is you.

I'm getting so tired of this fucking game. It's shit like this that sent me on my sabbatical in the first place.

[goodmorning]

Like, I try SO HARD to be patient and kind in Newbie games, because A. I know they can't help it and B. it's the first thing they see when they come to the site and I don't want to discourage people, but seriously, F U C K.