Newbie 1735 - Banana Split (Game Over!)

[copper223]

Agreed.

[copper223]

Jae/GL/Iron
I'd rather do Accountant than DDD.

[goodmorning]

There's literally no way that anyone should have ironstove as a top-3 townread.

Explain.

[copper223]

Those are people that I think are town and likely to vote Accountant, not my top 3 town-reads (which I have no interest in giving you).

[Accountant]

Why the hell would you lynch me?

[copper223]

Because I don't believe that your GL read is genuine, because I don't buy the reasons for your DDD WK and because your positions are not consistent with how you claim to be reading the game.

The last part is a bigger extrapolation on the read Jae gave about not seeing why DDD would be town to you, there are other problems like why after claiming you were going to WK DDD solely on PoE (giving a list of players scummier than him that does not include Jae) you then turn around and ask us what we think of Jae.

There are also minor points like some of your cases looking robotic (in particular the Drealmerz and the Iron cases) and the fact that lately you seem to be looking to stay flexible (as GM would put it) both by surprisingly having GM in that list of scum players (which again doesn't mash well with the overall view of the game you claim to have) and by asking about Jae.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

There's literally no way that anyone should have ironstove as a top-3 townread.

Explain.

Politics.

Jae is not a town read of mine.

[Accountant]

Jae is in the list of people who are unsorted. Nobody has yet explained why they think my read on GL is bad, they just throw it out going "haha I don't buy it", I thoroughly explained my reasons and you're just ignoring it.

VOTE: copper[/vote
Shitty wagon, never should have unvoted you. Kill this scumlord now.

[copper223]

How can you decide to PoE WK someone when you have a list of unsorted players?

I think your reply speaks for itself.

[Accountant]

VOTE: copper
Dragon understands, GM understands and DDD understands. They can't all be scum. Get over yourself

[copper223]

They don't need to be scum to be wrong, another terrible point.

Plus they haven't yet replied (and possibly read) your latest, there is always time for redemption.

[Accountant]

How about the following deal

We lynch you and if you flip town y'all can lynch me

If you really are town it should be a good trade for you

[copper223]

I'd rather kick your ass today, I don't trust the rest of the stooges enough to forfeit a possible future mis-lynch and to follow through when I flip.

[Accountant]

Nonsense. Get them all to precommit to lynching me, I'm sure iron will be more than happy to remind them that they promised to lynch me if you flipped town.

[copper223]

You are pretty desperate.

There is no advantage for me in it, case 1. I lynch you today and that's likely great, case 2. I'm lynched, then I will recommend the same as if your deal had gone through.

I'll make you another deal, the lynch today should either be you or me, nobody else.

[Accountant]

DEAL ACCEPTED. GLADIATE: COPPER

LET'S GO BOYS

PICK A SIDE

VOTING FOR ANYONE ELSE IS A SCUM CLAIM

[Dragonfire]

Just from recently:

I was kind of ignoring that whole thing because I thought it was silly, can someone give me a quick summary?

Read DDD's first "catch-up" post and then his replies to copper after that. He basically quoted a lot of posts and then gave seemingly random reads at the conclusion of his post (for instance he said he townread drealmerz solely based off drealmerz's joke "Banana Split" post). I could see it being a joke, but he maintains that he was being serious. See copper's below post:

No Jae, the first post that DDD makes and then his reply when I accuse him of selecting posts that don't match the reads that he gives at the end.

Yeah, no, that's the bit that doesn't make sense to me. Idk about you, but I can see (or at least make an educated guess) where his reads are coming from. Like, that's how catch-ups work; you quote things that seem important and/or you want to respond to especially. You can't quote every single post because it would be a waste of everyone's time.

I never said his post was scummy because it was brief / light. I also know how catch-ups work. I've explained why I found his opening post scummy already, and he has responded. Why should I have to justify myself to you as well?

People who are scummier than DDD:

GM, dragon, copper, iron, drealmerz(close but slightly scummier)

It's absolutely batshit insane to lynch DDD while all five of these people still breathe oxygen

So you only have two townreads, GL and Jae, and you scumread everybody else??

ugh, not you too

I had no idea that I was meant to "follow through" or respond to this, since frankly I had no idea what you were saying here and assumed you were just expressing frustration with people misinterpreting Accountant's reads list point. And for your information, I've cleared that one up too.

So why are you suspicious of me "not following through" on things when I actually have, and with the people that they concern. Do you want me to duplicate my answer just for you? Or are you just not reading what I post?

Don't forget the part where my initial post is scummy for not explaining everything in minute detail and then when it's explained logically suddenly I just made up those reasons despite the fact that I pretty clearly was willing to go to the mat for the post. So the argument is that as scum, I made up a bunch of nonsense, then instead of treating it as a joke defended that nonsense aggressively, and only later came up with exact reasons that match my initial post. For reasons, I really can't fathom what advantage I would gain from doing this but motivations don't matter in dragon-world. Oh wait, the reason is that Dragon doesn't want to break the wagon he's on despite it going from bad to shite.

You misunderstand what I said. I don't really find your initial post weird anymore, now that you've explained it. However, I still find your subsequent activity (and that of oncilla) scummy, and if you were scum you could have easily made up the explanation. This is not me saying "You made a logical point but you must have made it up 'cause you're scum." (which is what you're saying I did in this post). This is me saying "Although you've made a logical point, I still find you scummy due to other things you've done, and so it makes sense that you made it up if you're scum." Basically, I do scumread you less since you made that point, but you are still scummy to me and frankly, there's nobody else who I find as scummy so my vote is staying on you.

Everyone give me their reads on Jae please.

Leaning town.

VOTE: copper
Dragon understands, GM understands and DDD understands. They can't all be scum. Get over yourself

Actually, I don't now that you've made your point about unsorted players. I initially understood that since you found more than half the town scummier, you were assuming he was town. But now that you've said Jae is on the "unsorted" list... I know people have said this about me and my town-reading, so I understand I'm being slightly hypocritical here, but I do feel as if you might be purposefully listing most people as scummy so that it'll be easy for you to justify a vote on them.

And I disagree with a copper/Accountant lynch today, so I won't be voting either unless it's right at the end of the day and we need a lynch. If I had to choose, I'd go with voting Accountant over copper, but I think both of you are town anyway.

[goodmorning]

I was kind of ignoring that whole thing because I thought it was silly, can someone give me a quick summary?

Read DDD's first "catch-up" post and then his replies to copper after that. He basically quoted a lot of posts and then gave seemingly random reads at the conclusion of his post (for instance he said he townread drealmerz solely based off drealmerz's joke "Banana Split" post). I could see it being a joke, but he maintains that he was being serious. See copper's below post:

No Jae, the first post that DDD makes and then his reply when I accuse him of selecting posts that don't match the reads that he gives at the end.

Yeah, no, that's the bit that doesn't make sense to me. Idk about you, but I can see (or at least make an educated guess) where his reads are coming from. Like, that's how catch-ups work; you quote things that seem important and/or you want to respond to especially. You can't quote every single post because it would be a waste of everyone's time.

I never said his post was scummy because it was brief / light. I also know how catch-ups work. I've explained why I found his opening post scummy already, and he has responded. Why should I have to justify myself to you as well?

And I didn't say you said that at all.
You're not required to justify yourself to me, but if you want me to believe DDD is Scum someone's going to have to do something.

People who are scummier than DDD:

GM, dragon, copper, iron, drealmerz(close but slightly scummier)

It's absolutely batshit insane to lynch DDD while all five of these people still breathe oxygen

So you only have two townreads, GL and Jae, and you scumread everybody else??

ugh, not you too

I had no idea that I was meant to "follow through" or respond to this, since frankly I had no idea what you were saying here and assumed you were just expressing frustration with people misinterpreting Accountant's reads list point. And for your information, I've cleared that one up too.

If you had no idea what I meant, surely the appropriate response would have been to ask me?

So why are you suspicious of me "not following through" on things when I actually have, and with the people that they concern. Do you want me to duplicate my answer just for you? Or are you just not reading what I post?

It's not just those two posts; I feel like you've been ignoring me more generally as well (I'm mentioned 19 times in your ISO; Accountant 65 times [that's over 3x more mentions though he only has a little over 2x more posts than me]; Jae has 51 mentions [which is more than their number of posts]; Lion has

72

), and then when I made the effort to try and engage you (or anyone else pushing DDD) you said "go read that post" and didn't follow up afterwards. Your vote is on the wagon but you don't care enough about it to actually elabourate on your position to someone not on the wagon who asks?

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@Accountant: I mean, I get having a lot of idk reads this game, because I don't fucking know anything at this point, but it is a little weird to WK someone you have as unsorted.

Also I'm not super clear why you townread Lion. I looked through your ISO [again] but I don't really see it.

[GuyInFreezer]

VC 1.11

Accountant (3):

MaidMarian, GuiltyLion, copper223

copper223 (3):

goodmorning, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Accountant

Debonair Danny DiPietro (2):

ironstove, DragonFire

Not Voting:

JaeReed

With

9

votes,

5

votes to lynch.

The deadline is frozen at 3 days 5 hours.

[goodmorning]

OHHEY

GIF IS BACK

ALLLLLRIGHT

[JaeReed]

Jae is town. GM, do you agree?

I was exaggerating my early townread on you but your later posts seem pretty town.

I'd WK Jae if you guys were wagoning him too. Stop playing like iron and voting me because you don't like the way I play. I WK anyone I think is town, and DDD is town by PoE.

Everyone give me their reads on Jae please.

Literally cannot sort them

[copper223]

@Jae
That's a good post, it's missing a vote.

[JaeReed]

Jae/GL/Iron
I'd rather do Accountant than DDD.

I've gone through DDD's ISO and I'm not willing to vote there anymore.

[JaeReed]

@Jae
That's a good post, it's missing a vote.

Why do you believe that post is implying Accountant is scum?

[copper223]

Because it shows how out of wack his read progression on you is, and if you follow through with what that implies about his other justifications his castle of cards falls apart.