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[light_ganski]

I think it's wrong because I got a town role PM

In all seriousness though, I only just skimmed through the thread now and need to go over everything more closely. Seraphim has a decent though misguided case on me

[Creature]

light_ganski
massive
Killthestory
Skelda
Vedith
Io

[Creature]

I'd not mind lynching these.

[Dunnstral]

Vote Count 1.7

light_ganski (5): Io, Seraphim, Creature, Transcend, Blitzkrieg
Creature (2): xyzzy, light_ganski
Vedith (2): BlackStar, Naomi-Tan
BlackStar (1): Vedith
xyzzy (1): massive
killthestory (1): Skelda
Seraphim (1): killthestory

Not Voting (0):

With 13 votes it takes 7 to lynch

Day ends in (expired on 2016-09-09 11:30:00)

[Seraphim]

Has KTS seriously not moved his vote since page 2 or whenever he voted my predecessor? Hoo boy.

[Creature]

He probably died on a car crash.

[Blitzkrieg]

Creature, that is not funny. I have a client fighting for his life at the moment.

[Creature]

It's not funny when half the playerlist posts so little it's hard to determine scum.

[BlackStar]

I know a way to liven things up, but I'm kind of scared to do it

[Creature]

Is it fakeclaiming a guilty?

[BlackStar]

Nope

[Blitzkrieg]

Putting light scum to l minus 1?

[massive]

Why the heck am I null on people's lists?

[BlackStar]

You've done pretty much nothing

[Naomi-Tan]

Holy cow I was away for a few hours and the game came off life support. one moment while I read up. (and follow up post)

[Io]

I frankly don't like pre-flip associations all that much but really xyzzy and Light do look like a good candidate for a scum team.
For one he makes it pretty clear that his reads are identical to Light's reads. The only difference is that Xyzzy was scum reading Trancend for a while, but is now calling it just TVT which could be backing off realizing he couldn't push a Trans lynch but that's aside the point. Both of them are scum reading both Light and Verdith, and to a lesser extent Blackstar but Xyzzy just calls it a potential bus.

Also the interactions within both of them are odd to say the least.
420 mentions how Light's switching on their Naomi read looks "ineresting", but then still says they are a townie so it's like just pointing out a slightly scummyish post just for the sake of pointing it out but then just throwing away any real meaning attached to the point of calling it out. (I realize my rants can make no sense and hard to follow, but trust me it just doesn't look right if you can get what I'm trying to say.) Also the rest of his posts with light in them are kind of just filler, not buddying, scum reading, town reading, or really interacting at all.
Also Light and Xyzzy just both kinda town read each other without really talking about it at all. The highest extent of interaction was 296 being a light defense of Xyzzy.

I also want to mention how early both of them get onto the Creature wagon and never let it go. Xyzzy was #3 and Light #141; Light's is only weird because he doesn't justify it until 448, and while xyzzy's does look like it would come from a townie as it was in RVS and later turned into a real scum read with some evidence being thrown into why he believed it. Also just a little bit worth noting how close their evidence against creature came in time, which funny enough in 381Xyzzy said it was derailing to talk about scum having daychat when it actually would come into play when scum can coordinate reads and having 2 similar reads in close proximity to each other is a bit of a red flag.

If I had to guess I would say that with this post this guy is currently the third scum.

Has KTS seriously not moved his vote since page 2 or whenever he voted my predecessor? Hoo boy.

Xyzzy hasn't moved since post #3. You have little reason to call out KTS and not Xyzzy. Kind of a double standard there.

Oh and lastly. I do not think Verdith will be scum with Light. It seams way to incredibly convenient that almost every single player scum reads Verdith but there is disagreeing with Light.
It makes most sense for 2 scum (Xyzzy and Light) to push Verdith and have another scum (I think Seraphim) to bus Light and frame Verdith with the bus. Again Xyzzy said he thought it derailing to bring up the daychat as it was irrelevant, but the daychat would lead to a well thought out scum plan which is what this looks like.

TLDR:
Verdith is Town
Light and Xyzzy are very likely a scum team.
Seraphim is also a pretty good shot to be in the scum team.

[Naomi-Tan]

Okay... tired doing a multi-part quote catchup but I'm just too sleepy and can't think properly I'm going to leave my quote chain open in the other tab and come back to it after a small sleep. Sorry for building up to a response that never came. Will put something out for IO though. I think XYZZY's thoughts changed based on our mutual wall of texts, where she came to the understanding that he may not be that bad based on observations I had made. It follows that post wall she was more neutral leaning than pre-wall.

[Seraphim]

Io, that theory is bullshit. Why? Primarily because it revolves around the idea that my predecessor received the same coaching I did which he seems to have ignored. He voted for no one and pushed no onr. His play was atrocious. He was also new. I doubt theoretical scum buddies would have let him play like that especially as an elaborate bussing procedure.

Also light and xyzzy are pushing Creature??? not Vedith??? (Sorry I can't check ISOs on my phone, so I can't say for sure while I am writing this post their status vis a vie Vedith

The reason I mentioned KTS and not xyzzy is because KTS is voting me which is why I noticed it looking at the votecount which caused me to go back and look into why that might be the case. And it's because he was voting my predecessor. Whom he voted at the beginning of the game.

Finally, where is the disagreement with Light that you imagine materializing? Your view of events is completely different than the way the game is. The Vedith wagon has not really happened and Light is at L-2? Are you sure we are reading the same game and you're not trapped in a parallel universe version of it?

[Killthestory]

genuinely sorry for not being able to do anything because of school : (

i'll try to do something tonight

[Creature]

Oh right, xyzzy's vote was RVS so he could hide behind that.

[BlackStar]

I've been agonizing over whether or not to do this for like 2 days now. I knew from the start of the game that if I was going to use this it had to be on the first day. I didn't want to get nked or some thing before I had a chance to use it. Anyways, I went back and forth on whether to use it on Vedith, light or to wait and if see an even stronger scum read appeared. There's a lot of speculation around Light and his flip could bring us some good information, so I figured that this was the best choice. Plus the VC will reset and we'll have time to lynch someone else. I really really hope that this hits scum and I didn't screw things up.

Shoot: Light_ganski

[Transcend]

That would be amazing if that was a troll.

But if you're actually dayvig why shoot the slot at l-1 lmao. Seems like a waste.

[BlackStar]

Nah, if he was going to die anyway then at least now we can get another kill right after this

[Vedith]

Now, I want to put Light to L1 because last time Blackstar thought I had him as scum, he got stressed.
As it stands, I don't have a reason but need to read the last few pages, someone give me the jip?

[Vedith]

I've been agonizing over whether or not to do this for like 2 days now. I knew from the start of the game that if I was going to use this it had to be on the first day. I didn't want to get nked or some thing before I had a chance to use it. Anyways, I went back and forth on whether to use it on Vedith, light or to wait and if see an even stronger scum read appeared. There's a lot of speculation around Light and his flip could bring us some good information, so I figured that this was the best choice. Plus the VC will reset and we'll have time to lynch someone else. I really really hope that this hits scum and I didn't screw things up.

Shoot: Light_ganski

Doesn't vig killing end the day?