Open 646 - Semi Nightless - Game Over (D6)

[Transcend]

I know you're gonna ignore me but here's some things I think make smith scum.

- Kcda's weird actions and skating around the karnos lynch.
- mhsmith light voting karnos when Luna voted karnos as well and mhsmith was coming around her being scum.
- mhsmith being a heavy advocate of KTS!rope d2 and then when KTS trolls twilight, he immediately dismisses it as town.
- mhsmith discrediting my read on Rosske and laughing it off while simultaneously thinking he is a potential mafia candidate
- mhsmith not ever really committing to a vote. He's bounced around quite a bit and he's been non-committal.

Those were highlights I remember from my rereads but there might be more.

[Transcend]

Your case on Tenshii to me reads

well he pushed a couple of mislynches.

And that's why I haven't been too sold on it, because town mislynch all the time. Hello, look at who's talking!!!!!!

[gigabyteTroubadour]

W i f o m

Oh shush you know I hate doing wifom scum play

I'm not kidding where I'd openly self vote if the time came to it.

^ there's also voting for Maria when she openly said she would self-hammer if needed, picking her over Tenshii was pretty strange to me and I didn't care for his reasoning.

[Thor665]

My read on Tenshii is still the same, now that I know he's had some experience.

So the newbie bit was meaningless the whole time.
That drops your case down to 'da feels' last I checked.

Okay Thor let's think of common things scum do to manipulate.

"hey you should vote this guy" is a very common one.

Tenshii DID NOT EVER tell anyone to vote his way. Tenshii did Tenshii's thing which included lots of vanity wagons that got little to no momentum. I feel Tenshii was using his vote to help him personally figure out scum. Unfortunately it resulted in a couple of mislynches and bad reads much like myself. But I'm smart enough to know town is capable of making such mistakes.

This is not a gut read honestly. The townread on Tenshii that is. That is a solid townread I've carried for about two months and nothing's changed from it.

Well, for starters, here's another thing scum do;

They lay low.
Tenshii - by only attacking a lurker and defending himself and his scumbuddy, played in a way to be generally unobtrusive while trying to prevent scum lynches.

Also, you're actually describing how you play.

Also, remember when you had issues with Giga's shift on KTS?
Why didn't you have issue with Tenshii's? She listed him as a middle of the road read, yet hopped on him in seconds when the wagon got rolling.

[Transcend]

Middle of the road read means null right?

Tenshii lynching a null read sounds better than Giga lynching someone he had formerly thought was town and telling me to hammer really fast.

[Thor665]

I know you're gonna ignore me but here's some things I think make smith scum.

- Kcda's weird actions and skating around the karnos lynch.

How did what he do help scum?
I'll grant you "weird" but that doesn't make it scummy.

- mhsmith light voting karnos when Luna voted karnos as well and mhsmith was coming around her being scum.

He did not light vote him - he hard voted him.
How does this help scum if it was a light vote?

- mhsmith being a heavy advocate of KTS!rope d2 and then when KTS trolls twilight, he immediately dismisses it as town.

He did so *after* KTS claimed as town though.

- mhsmith discrediting my read on Rosske and laughing it off while simultaneously thinking he is a potential mafia candidate

Your read deserved discredit - I'll give you that his vote was bad though.

- mhsmith not ever really committing to a vote. He's bounced around quite a bit and he's been non-committal.

So have I - am I also scum?
I actually read fluidity of opinion as town - scum tend to get paranoid about changing their viewpoints, and only bad scum don't change reads as situations change.

[Transcend]

I give up reasoning with you. We're two very different players who have two very different approaches and I can't see us ever coming to an agreement.

Every fucking thing I say.

Literally every fucking thing.

You have to give your opinion about how I'm wrong and how you're right and how you're mightier than me.

And I'm sick of it.

We're not gonna agree. It's just not gonna happen. One of us might be right, we might both be wrong. No one knows. But I'm gonna trust what I think instead of what you think.

[Transcend]

pardon my french

[Thor665]

Middle of the road read means null right?

Tenshii lynching a null read sounds better than Giga lynching someone he had formerly thought was town and telling me to hammer really fast.

Yeah, but why did she hop on - especially since the wagon at that point was being pushed by her theory scum read mhsmith, and there was a counter wagon on her stronger scumread of Luna?

[Thor665]

I give up reasoning with you.

Stop misusing that word.

Also, I was quite reasonably allowing you and your bad play to slide for DAYS.
Then you lynched one of my better town reads, who flipped town.
Now I need to sort you again, because your iso and play are a mess.

And all i can get out of you is constant whining and refusal to back up things you're saying the instant I dare to question them,
#sorrynotsorry

[Transcend]

Hmm.... good point.

@Tenshii when you can, may you please explain why you voted KTS over Luna Fox?

[Transcend]

I HAVE BACKED MY OPINIONS

STOP BEING SO IGNORANT YOU STUPID PIECE OF F***ING S***

[Thor665]

You have not backed your opinions.

Reference post 2485 wherein I defeated one of your town arguments for Tenshii through my amazing ability of 'stating what happened'.

[Thor665]

I mean, you're backing them with empty made up stuff - but I don't have to agree with the lie you tell yourself that stuff like that equates to backup evidence for a belief.

[Transcend]

You didn't defeat my point, I just want him to elaborate on that vote.

PEDIT: EMPTY MADE UP STUFF!??!?

**** OFF THIS IS THE S*** THATS BEEN IN MY HEAD FOR THE PAST TWO MONTHS.

I AM DONE WITH YOU BELITTLING ME AND DISCREDITING EVERYTHING I HAVE DONE. I DONT CARE THAT MY EXPLANATIONS DONT MEET YOUR REQUIREMENTS.

THEY ARE MY READS AND I WILL STICK TO THEM TIL I DIE OR TIL THE GAME ENDS.

[Thor665]

You didn't defeat my point, I just want him to elaborate on that vote.

Oh, okay, so you just randomly want to check on something about your most bestest town read in the game off something I mentioned and it's *not* me pointing out holes in your reads.

Sorry, I totally misunderstood what was happening.
Carry on.

[Transcend]

Pointing out a "hole" is not defeating the read entirely.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

hey look i found dueling town wagons, there's always info to get from these

Pseudo VC as of this post

Luna Fox

L-3 -

Killthestory

, Transcend,

PhantomCobalt

Killthestory

L-1 -

Rosske

, gigabyte, mhsmith0,

Luna Fox

, Tenshii

Not Voting - Thor,

Io

(with no assumptions)

(assuming Thor and I are town)

Pseudo VC as of this post

Luna Fox

L-3 -

Killthestory

, Transcend,

PhantomCobalt

Killthestory

L-1 -

Rosske

,

gigabyte

, mhsmith0,

Luna Fox

, Tenshii

Not Voting -

Thor

,

Io

I'm not sure how useful mhsmith's placement is on this wagon since mhsmith and Luna really could have voted in any order. Being the tipping point in a town wagon isn't a good sign for mhsmith but it's clear he was voting for KTS with Luna anyway.

Tenshii is the scummiest vote on here, I think. I think Luna had enough towncred for her wagon to not get past its tipping point. Putting her on L-2 would have been a waste because I don't think anyone else would have voted for her. That kind of implies he knew that they were both town, right...? I will wait for Tenshii's response to Transcend's questions before saying anything else but this is kind of interesting.

the NKs and overall flow of the game seems to point to Mhsmith, but Tenshii is still scummy to me.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

the NKs and overall flow of the game seem to point to Mhsmith*

EBWOP

[Transcend]

scummiest vote on that bw imo was rosske. but carry on.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

But Rosske is confirmed town and we're looking at unconfirmed town

[Transcend]

in that case, i'd have to look at smith's initial vote on KTS to make a decision, because that vote is... at most questionable.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

IO THE BLANKING LEGEND COMING THROUGH

VOTE: Phantom

honestly i have a hard time trying to understand why Tenshii is so sheepy this game

why did he have to wait for Io to push a counterwagon? He really has to explain his D2 votes because I'm back to scumreading him over mhsmith after all I've said

[Transcend]

Oh my gosh you guys I just had a thought and this may or may not be Tenshii's answer but his best scumread at the time was PhantomCobalt, and if he voted on the Luna wagon he would've acquiesced to where his scumread was parked.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

you just gave him his answer you dingledonger