Open 646 - Semi Nightless - Game Over (D6)

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Tenshii's Dodgeball Rankings

1. tojam2, probably has potential to stay as #1 on the rankings given how hard he dodges updating VC.
2. PhantomCobalt, hard read as Dodgeball Goon
3. Luna Fox, hard claimed dodgeball coach at 959
4. mhsmith0, hard claimed professional dodgeball player at some post I'm too lazy to go back and reference
5. Killthestory, he's that one dude that FILLS (heh) the water bottles of all the players on the team
5. Transcend, soft read as amateur dodgeball player
7. Thor, has aspirations for joining his school's dodgeball club but didn't decide yet
7. Rosske, insert some dodgeball joke here
9. Io, literally threw the dodgball that killed Karnos
10. Giga, Karnos whispered Giga who was on the other team to throw the game so Karno's team could win but Giga declined like a good person
11. Tenshii, fully incapable of playing dodgeball unless salt meters reach a certain point

This is now the post I'm most proud of.

Break from the game, I've never actually said it, but this is the best post of the entire game.

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you just gave him his answer you dingledonger

eh.

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It certainly looks like sheeping seeing as you empty voted right after him. you really think Luna would have been first on the wagon for her own partner? You've already proven your reads are way off

Derp clear for rosske accepted. I don't think I'm ever voting him this game.

VC 4 - 11

Tenshii L-2 - Thor665, gigabyteTroubadour
MariaR Lynched - MariaR, Transcend,

mhsmith0

, Tenshii

MariaR was a

Vanilla Townie

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(expired on 2016-09-01 12:20:00)

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO

[mhsmith0]

Pointing out a "hole" is not defeating the read entirely.

He's pushing against the actual substance of what you'd said. Frankly, your tenshii read boils down to "gut" with the only tangible point being that he didn't vote karnos. Obviously bussing happens, but automatically assuming that a bus must have happened (the implication behind your clearing tenshii based on him defending instead of pushing/voting karnos) is a low substance read. It also ignores the entirety of tenshii's other play. You say you've town read tenshii for months. The implication here is that you haven't taken the time to re-evaluate or question that read in any meaningful way in that time period.

Given that there's just one more mislynch we can afford, you should be re-evaluating and questioning. Maybe you come out of that process with a substantive town read of tenshii, and can actually back that up in a meaningful way. If so (and if you're right) then great. But right now your town case for tenshii is weak, and you're pushing it in a way that is highly unlikely to convince anyone. And complaining about how Thor is arguing with you isn't helping either. He's been accusing you of being derpy town all game, and frankly I tend to agree, with a small possibility of you just outright faking being derpy town.

[mhsmith0]

The actual sequence

It certainly looks like sheeping seeing as you empty voted right after him. you really think Luna would have been first on the wagon for her own partner? You've already proven your reads are way off

Derp clear for rosske accepted. I don't think I'm ever voting him this game.

Oh wait never mind I'm an idiot. Rosske meant luna being first to vote karnos, not theoretical scum buddy kts. Never mind.

You'd think scum Rosske would be paying attention to the votes on his partner.

Yeah I guess that's fair. Not as utterly clearing as forgetting there's only one goon left though.

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[gigabyteTroubadour]

nice misrep transcend

(mhsmith can still be scum but it's fun to make fun of transcend )

[mhsmith0]

the NKs and overall flow of the game seem to point to Mhsmith*

EBWOP

Talk about how for each? I don't see how shooting io particularly points to me. I suppose you can make a case for the Ira shot being me, but even there it's weak. Seems likelier that there was an intentional decision not to kill giga last night, either because it's giga (which I doubt) or it was designed to present an easy "kill motive" case against me.

Wrt game flow, I don't get what you mean. Clarify?

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KTS, Rosske, and Transcend - I'm leaning towards a scum in that set.

urp looks like thor had rosske!scum thoughts as well.

this guy is an ass and i hope i don't have the displeasure of playing with him again.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

the NKs and overall flow of the game seem to point to Mhsmith*

EBWOP

Talk about how for each? I don't see how shooting io particularly points to me. I suppose you can make a case for the Ira shot being me, but even there it's weak. Seems likelier that there was an intentional decision not to kill giga last night, either because it's giga (which I doubt) or it was designed to present an easy "kill motive" case against me.

Wrt game flow, I don't get what you mean. Clarify?

If my reads have any merit (basically Thor as hard town, Transcend as a townlean), then the last mafia is either you or Tenshii. How scummy I think each of you are is irrelevant because I'm more confident in my townreads here.

For NKs, it's not so much that it has to be you as it is Tenshii is basically committing suicide with his nightkills if he's scum. If people ignored the nightkill and didn't change their reads, sparing Iraon was pretty much scum!Tenshii's only chance of swinging the ML onto you because he and Transcend would vote for you, and I probably would waffle between you and him. Tenshii pretty much has to kill Thor here.

Maybe

he kills me for surprise factor, but killing Iraon suggests he's giving up or he's not scum.

By "gameflow", I mean that it seems that you have control over what has been happening. At least yesterday, you voting for Maria pretty much locked her as the day's lynch. You also pushed KTS strongly D2. And D1, your vote for Karnos pretty much ensured he got lynched. It's not really strong reasoning and I don't think I'm explaining this correctly, but the way the game has been moving, I can't help but feel like we're expected to lynch Tenshii, which would ultimately benefit you as scum (or town, I guess? survival shouldn't be a goal).

[mhsmith0]

How is he an ass? He's questioning you, and accusing you of bad/lazy play. Given that your two strongest reads have been proven wrong, and you've done a poor job explaining yourself or making quality cases or responding to criticism, I think that this is a fair accusation. Has he been intentionally antagonistic or over the top obnoxious? If he has I've missed it, please point me to where that happened.

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VOTE: mhsmith0

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Being called a magic 8 ball when i've been trying super hard all game is down right insulting.

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anyways i read day 2 about 3 or 4 times and couldn't even find mhsmith's initial vote on the wagon.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

wait today is D5

i forgot d3 even happened....

[gigabyteTroubadour]

d3 was when i lolhammered

interesting that mhsmith wasn't on the wagon but had Phantom as a top scumread. not sure if scum interesting or interesting interesting.

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Last one probably just Luna or kts with the strategic hop onto the wagon (wolves usually can't resist bussing).

VOTE: killthestory

oh i found it

his vote is much worse than tenshii's here.

tenshii!town still stands

[Thor665]

Pointing out a "hole" is not defeating the read entirely.

Okay, so your swiss cheese case remains solid despite the holes.

KTS, Rosske, and Transcend - I'm leaning towards a scum in that set.

urp looks like thor had rosske!scum thoughts as well.

this guy is an Smurf and i hope i don't have the displeasure of playing with him again.

Yup, on Day 1 I had Rosske as scum.
So if I played like you did, I would have never changed that read and voted to lynch him yesterday.
That said, as I got more and new info, my reads changed and progressed. That's how I use my brain. You can, of course, use your own methods.

[mhsmith0]

@giga: Wrt my goals, if I'm the last wolf then lynching tenshii puts me in big trouble because I'm most people's #2 suspect and transcend has basically announced that he'll refuse to reconsider his read of me as the last wolf.

Wrt nks, I don't see how it's suicide for tenshii. Transcend is a strong defender, he'll never die if tenshii is the wolf, and that means tenshii would need all three other townies United on him to get lynched. That's a decent position to be in, giving him options for a wifom kill. As it is, you're still waffling, so the impact of the kill was not particularly problematic for him if he's the last wolf. And I'd say that killing Thor is BAD for him if he's the last wolf, because it removes a possible mislynch given stated suspicions, and validates thors push on him. Both io and Ira are plausible for him if he's the last wolf, and the apparent lack of thought he's put into nk analysis validates the idea that he's capable of making sub optimal kills anyway.

Wrt game control, I'm not really sure what you mean. My voting Maria assuredly did not lock her in as the lynch. It was 3/3 her vs tenshii with Ira being the deciding vote before she self hammered. Ira easily could have voted tenshii at that point. Nor did I spend d2 strong pushing kts; I had a few posts casing him, but I also spent substantial energy figuring out who could reasonably be cleared.

[mhsmith0]

Last one probably just Luna or kts with the strategic hop onto the wagon (wolves usually can't resist bussing).

VOTE: killthestory

oh i found it

his vote is much worse than tenshii's here.

tenshii!town still stands

How was that a bad vote? Kts easily could have lol-hammered his buddy there.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Wrt game control, I'm not really sure what you mean. My voting Maria assuredly did not lock her in as the lynch

She openly stated she would self-hammer though, voting her over Tenshii seems kind of opportunistic. This is the only point I strongly disagree with, I'm still mulling everything else over.

Transcend, who would you most likely vote for in a Iraon/Tenshii LYLO if it came down to that? I realize this question loses its effectiveness since Iraon is flipped town but still...

[mhsmith0]

So mhsmith is kcdas.
I had a townread on that slot and he hasn't dissapointed. I think his assesment is valid considering that's how i feel about this game right now, even tho the conclusion leads to the wrong result.

By the way, this was Luna after I came in and pushed her off the bat. So either I strategically pushed there and got super lucky that she agreed it was reasonable to do so... or pushing her there was valid by her own words.

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Tenshii.

Would've reported Luna for stategic sub out if she flipped wolf.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Tenshii.

Would've reported Luna for stategic sub out if she flipped wolf.

OK, so I guess my thought of Tenshii wanting a Transcend/Iraon LYLO was completely untrue

i kind of want to vote tenshii at this point but we haven't heard from him.

[mhsmith0]

How is voting for a self-hammer declaration opportunistic?