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[Naomi-Tan]

Sorry for my lack of consistency over the last few days. my insomnia has decided to play up so im awake and asleep in small bursts and always sleepy and not thinking right. It doesn't lend its self to reading deep into things. I just hope it stabilises soon, this sleep debt will resolve eventually and I can perk up again. KTS's post stream here was entertaining XD but can't really cross refrence it too easily without post marks or quotes.

[Naomi-Tan]

I can do this though; Hey KTS with light being scum does this revise any of your reads? like V and Creature?

[Skelda]

Unvote

I don't know if I think it is KTS anymore. Those posts feel pretty genuine.

[xyzzy]

before it ever even started I was confident that joining Dunnstral's first modded game was the first choice and now I'm even more sure

so much has happened in the like couple days I've been away (I spent a lot of time sleeping...) and I'll need time to really process it all, but while I'm pretty sure it's possible it's possible for BlackStar to be scum (the normal rules allow for one non-normal role; they don't say anything about how non-normal that role can be) I don't really see it as likely.

Naomi-Tan, do you not think it's possible light_ganski was bussing one of Vedith or Creature?

I'm not seeing why the Seraphim wagon is happening at all. maybe that'll become clearer to me when I get the chance to reread the last several pages at a time that isn't 4 am.

Jordan's response to a fake guilty on him was that he read the thread. His reply indicated it was fully possible to get a guilty on him. He's also in Light's scumpool which likely has at least one scum. (Vedith, creature, BlackStar). The first two are obvious town. The latter is scum you won't lynch. By PoE that leaves Jordan.

that first point is fair; I had interpreted the response to the fake guilty very differently, but the logic that Jordarrian's response assumes the possibility that he's scum seems valid to me. the second point is completely valid too and I think I just missed that point earlier. this seems like the most valid wagon at the moment.

VOTE: Seraphim

[Seraphim]

Bullshit. Jor was a bad new player not used to Mafiascum conventions. He would have been coached in the PT.

"valid"

Unvote
Vote: xyzzy

[Blitzkrieg]

Jordarrian

Someone got a guilty on you.

Jordarrian.

T O P K E K

Jordarrian

Someone got a guilty on you.

Nice try, I read the thread.

The first post happened at 2:18. The next post happened less than 2 minutes later. There was no "coaching". Your argument on why this is not a slip is that Jordan would have checked the thread before replying to anything. Coaching more likely happened after that point, when a town pushed wagon appeared on him.

[Seraphim]

Where is your evidence that Jordarrian was EVER coached?

[Io]

Bullshit. Jor was a bad new player not used to Mafiascum conventions. He would have been coached in the PT.

"valid"

Unvote
Vote: xyzzy

Worth noting that I've played less games than Jord.

[Seraphim]

Jordarrian has not completed a single game and has been replaced in the two other newbie games he played before this one. None of his posts in those games demonstrate that he had any idea what he was doing.

[Killthestory]

He's played games on the ToS forums. He's just bad.

[Blitzkrieg]

He was unskilled. However, look at Light's reaction to the wagon.

First, he avoids it.
He then says it's too early to pin down Jordan and Naomi.
Then, Jordan is in his scumpool. He doesn't place a vote or vote elsewhere.
He keeps Jordan in a safe place to vote but never makes a comment on Jordan.

[Blitzkrieg]

Jordarrian has not completed a single game and has been replaced in the two other newbie games he played before this one. None of his posts in those games demonstrate that he had any idea what he was doing.

This says implicity that unskilled = town. Also wrong.

[Transcend]

Unskilled = NAI imo.

[Vedith]

Vedith is here!
I shall catch up later, weekend stuff!

[Creature]

I noticed Jordarrian was scum in his other two games.

[Naomi-Tan]

Sigh.. If XYYZY is scum I'm going to be really disappointed in myself.. After our long talk i've convinced myself that they must be town but others disagree and lights responses back up a scum!XYZ. I feel that scum had lead me a lot over the course of the game and fooled me pretty well.. unfortunately I've been no help to the game other than stimulating it at times of low activity such as right now. however unlike those times I don't really feel that I should make a comment right now. just taking the time to self reflect on my mistakes such as being controlled by peer pressure to skew my vote off of creature earlier in the game. heh.. Sorry guys. just finished the beginners guide so.. I'm kinda off and don't help that im extremely sleepy from my body deciding to fuck around.

[Transcend]

Vc plz

[BlackStar]

What would be the motivation for a scum vig to shoot his scum buddy that was at L-1? It would make much more sense to just vote on the wagon or tell him to claim a pr or something. Wagon form and fall apart quickly on day 1, so it was likely that if I hadn't shot light then he wouldn't have even gotten lynched. No matter how often you say it, Verith is not "obv town". He's null at best and that's being a little generous. Why do you even townread xyzzy? I'm not voting sera right now because you've been illogical throughout the game so far and I don't want to follow someone like that. Yeah, jord was scummy. But sera has been decent. I don't know what to make of him so far. But xyzzy's posts are really awkward and light had them as high up on his reads list without saying why. I think it's better to go after xyzzy

Blitz, reply to this please

[massive]

You've done pretty much nothing

I gave you xyzzy, what more do you want from day one? Jeez.

Not gonna vote but I think you know where it goes.

IO is town, and Blitzkrieg being Titus explains a lot, but not enough for me to have any idea which way she swings. I like the connection between light and Jordarrian though.

[Dunnstral]

Vote Count 1.10

xyzzy (5): Io, Transcend, Creature, BlackStar, Seraphim
Seraphim (3): Blitzkrieg, Vedith, xyzzy
Blitzkrieg (1): Naomi-Tan

Not Voting (3): massive, Killthestory, Skelda

With 12 votes it takes 7 to lynch

Day ends in (expired on 2016-09-09 11:30:00)

[BlackStar]

Let's get xyzzy to L-1

[Naomi-Tan]

I guess I could but I don't believe in the train... but neither do I trust myself.. I've had pretty bad judgements..

[xyzzy]

Seraphim really didn't seem to have much problem with me until my vote; his vote feels OMGUSesque.

[Transcend]

No xyzzy he voted you because he called you out on your bullshit.

You just silently acquiesced to the lynch that has the second most votes than you.

[Creature]

Anyone against xyzzy lynch?