Mini 1820 — Lazy Summer Mafia (Game Over)

[Raskolnikov]

@rask were you ever paranoid of me this game?

Not before hip flipped doctor

[Infinity 324]

Naomi-Tan

died.

Spoiler: She was a

Town Night 2 Innocent Child

*.

*Automatically revealed at the start of Night 2.

[Vedith]

Oh, I assumed she was killed night 1 because she was revealed.
That changes a lot then.

I'll review this again tonight.

[Raskolnikov]

Pretty sure sland is town.

What's your individual read on the slot, no associations.

[Infinity 324]

Pretty town for reasons I can explain accurately. (I find those reasons to be more reliable).

He's not trying to look like he's transparent pretty much.

[Raskolnikov]

to claim doc after another doc would take guts but what else is a possible claim in that situation?
1. role has to visit
2. role doesn't roleblock
what are possible town fakeclaims other than doc that fit
im not getting much alternatives actually, maybe bodyguard or something? what else would be a good claim?

the only big alternative is like VT claim and not taking a night action, but in that case the choice between claiming VT or doc would already be decided that night by taking an action or not.
and since they planned LQ to claim VT the ideal would be to split partners between the 2 (1 pr 1 vt) I think
IOW choosing a target that night locks you into the doc claim(?) when tracked and seen, unless we can think of any alternative fakeclaims that he would have been able to think of real quick.

Can everyone weigh in on this
I want to know what alternative claims existed for someone who was seen visiting.
I think bodyguard would probably have been the only other option in that situation (most other PR claims would CC someone else or not work)

[Raskolnikov]

but even though scumdoc would fit so would mafia watcher+voyeur

[Infinity 324]

Rolestopper? Weak something?

[Infinity 324]

Rolestopper is probably the only realistic one.

Question is, why would I want to visit vedith in the first place? Unless I guessed wrong that there would be no doctor

Honestly VT seems safest though

[Raskolnikov]

because with 2 scum alive you don't claim VT with LQ when you can hide in PRs
it would be to slandaars favour tbh if he didnt delay claim
and if you plan to claim PR you HAVE to visit so it makes sense.

[Infinity 324]

Well ok

But I'm not sure town would be able to correctly guess the number of PRs.

[Slandaar]

VOTE: LQ

Should we finish the claims first
also *Ahem* I TOLD YOU SO I TOLD YOU SO I TOLD YOU SO I TOLD YOU SO

I totally believe this is town.

holy shit wtf I was rdy to enter another game

zzz

Slightly less than above but quite town.

VOTE: hiplop

poor jarjar. you know you don't actually get the win if you don't survive?

Completely believe this is town. + VT claim.

Leaves Vedith and Infinity.

I mean you two have to trust I am town but I mean 7 PR claims including Friendly Neighbour + IC = Too much. It just is. If anyone wants to argue against please provide a game with so much town power even if everything is N2 only Friendly Neighbour(+Other Opions) + IC + N2 Gunsmith + N2 Watcher + N2 Doc + N2 Doc + N2 Tracker. It's just so much power.
(Balanced against Mafia Voyeur + Goon + X)

Infinity today. If it doesn't end the game Vedith tomorrow. I don't think I can be convinced to do anything else. Vediths posting yesterday after lynch was pretty bad as he was saying 'IF hiplop is town' which is ridiculous from my POV I was like 100% it was Hiplop scum:

If HipLop is town then this is scum.

It's probably infinity though 2 Doc's I really do doubt.

[Raskolnikov]

with eitherits WIFOM
whether you would claim doctor knowing how it would look with another doctor flip
vedith saying they forgot role to then CCing DGB while saying LQ is town is mad wifom

[Infinity 324]

"That much town power" is debatable.

Not a lot of normals with all 1-shots.

[Slandaar]

So you all know: there CAN be two N2 town docs. It doesn't happen very often but it can happen. There is usually a good reason for it though I don't see the reason for it here other than to mess with town.

[Infinity 324]

It counterbalances the 7 PRs I guess

[Slandaar]

They would just drop the town power level instead of doing that. They don't balance, as I have said, by messing up town with counterclaiming town PR's.

[Vedith]

Slandarr why are you ignoring my question to you?

[Slandaar]

vedith saying they forgot role to then CCing DGB while saying LQ is town is mad wifom

Yes, as I said a couple days ago, due to scumchat it is possible that Vedith decided/was advised to bus DGB who was inevitably going to be lynched.

He claimed quite a while after DGB, long enough to make sure no-one else was counter claiming.

[Slandaar]

Slandarr why are you ignoring my question to you?

Didn't have time when I read that section and forgot.

Don't really care for the question anyways. It should be obvious why, you can see my read progression on DGB and she voted me the entire game almost. If you don't consider that obvtown then you shouldn't consider anyone obvtown.

[Infinity 324]

They would just drop the town power level instead of doing that. They don't balance, as I have said, by messing up town with counterclaiming town PR's.

Probably, but idk...

All I know is that I'm a doctor and hiplop flipped doctor too.

Maybe they put in 2 docs for a different reason, then increased town power to compensate. Would you consider this if I flipped town?

(Note: slandaar's play is similar to how scum usually play late game).

[Slandaar]

DGB bussing both her buddies, she is generally averse to bussing.

How do you know this?

I don't/didn't know that and it's clear I know her meta better than you.

[Infinity 324]

I heard someone say it in hunger games maf

[Slandaar]

for a different reason

Suggest one.

[Infinity 324]

They wanted something to interfere with the watcher/tracker?