In post 2565, Thor665 wrote: In post 2556, mhsmith0 wrote:@thor: wrt PC, it's just weird that you'd made that l-1 vote on him while pushing tenshii (again), and then follow it up with
In post 1562, Thor665 wrote:Sure - for starters, explain to me why town would choose not to vote their top scumread nowhere close to mylo or lylo.
I'll wait.
In post 1563, Thor665 wrote:And the reason scum would do it is due to lack of actual belief in their claims, and also for strategic purposes if they think the move will get them called out.
So that was nowhere close to MYLO/LYLO, PC wasn't your top scum read, and your comment to tenshii suggested that this behavior was in your mind a scum tell. So I guess I want to know why you'd hop along on pc lynch instead of pushing for a force replace, especially given that you'd indicated a preference for a replace at
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p8225663. What changed between when you thought that he should be replaced and when you voted him?
Please explain who my larger scumread was, and then I'll pretend you have a point.
And I gave up on replace because the mod didn't do it - this isn't rocket science.
The implied stronger scumread by your commentary was tenshii. That's where you seemed to be pushing, while you voted PC. I'll certainly agree that the mod should have, but didn't, throw out PC, but at the same time, that was nowhere close to a deadline lynch of a slot that at least plausibly could have been replaced; moreover, the mod explicitly stated at
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p8223862 that PC would be replaced (though PC then popped in and the mod vanished again); at the very least, it was plausible that some time before deadline the mod would actually follow through on his intention.
So you put someone at L-1 when the mod explicitly stated he was going to force-replace that slot (
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p8223862 ), and you say you did it because you gave up on the replace?
The only way that seems to hold together is if you saw the mod state a replace intent, watched two days go by, and then decided that the mod wasn't going to bother to follow through... or did you just miss the mod's replace statement in the first place? Either one is plausible, but if that was driving your vote, why not just spam replace demands on the mod? Again, there was plenty of time in that day to make a replace happen.
In post 2563, mhsmith0 wrote:How is it a busywork question? Your recently stated top two are transcend and tenshii, and you seem to be leaning transcend as the last wolf. This runs counter to your previously stated read that the last wolf was on kts,
Am I actively sorting him?
Yes?
Okay then.
It's a question about your stated reads on those two slots (which I believe are your top two wolves) within the framework of your stated value call (which I believe was unclear as to whether you thought the last wolf was on KTS at some point, or just whether you thought the last wolf was on the KTS lynch wagon at EOD). So if you think transcend is the last wolf, then the question becomes why do you now think that the moment was NOT meaningfully town-indicative for him.
Similarly, if you think it's tenshii, do you think that the hop off was then a wolfy hop off? And if so why?
Basically I'm asking you to analyze your reads in more depth in the context of a stated value call you made previously. Which strikes me as the opposite of busy work, unless you think that there's no need to keep engaging with you and sorting you by evaluating your reads and reasonings.
In post 2563, mhsmith0 wrote:So I guess I want to know where you see the insincerity with transcend; why does he not believe the case he's trying to sell? And why is the original read, of transcend clear because he wasn't on kts (and he also wasn't on PC for that matter) invalid?
I can't gauge sincerity on Transcend because he can't describe his own thoughts - so...?
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So you're basically wolf on tenshii and null on transcend? I'll agree with you that trans has done a lousy job of describing his thoughts and reads, but at the same time, he avoided the KTS wagon D2, and again avoided the PC wagon on D3, and I don't think he was at all cheering from the sidelines either. And he has in fact described his read on me at
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p8303037
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p8303268
etc.
There's enough there to get some sense of his stated reasons. I'm not asking whether his case is good, I'm asking you whether his case is sufficiently bad enough to be something that he cannot reasonably believe, or whether he has, while pursuing the case, appeared insincere in his pursuit.
And you can also look at his earlier rosske/maria case/pursuit as well (including mulitple days where he did NOT, as far as I saw, cheerlead the KTS/PC lynches or do anything manipulative towards pushing those lynches that I can see).
To put it another way, if we call back to the Rio game, and the discussion around Titus, her read on me was both wrong and bad, and she wasn't communicating it clearly, but at the same time she WAS pursuing it with apparent sincerity and energy, and THAT was enough to get her a town read (see soah's comments about her meeting the standard for bad town, for instance). So, in your mind, does transcend meet the standard for bad town? I'm inclined to think he does, even if he isn't being super clear, and even if his reads have been questionable all game long.
