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[Thor665]

Why do you think kraska is town?

I'll second this - I would rather lynch Elyse, but the Kraska push feels valid to me.

[I Am Innocent]

What are your concerns on my slot and why have you not voiced them?

I have not been aligned with you on many reads. Yes that causes me concern. Enough to push for a day 1 lynch on a good player, heck no. My focus is on Elyse, tho the read list I just added will show who I might be willing to compromise on.

[Nero Cain]

Why is it probably dumb and not probably scummy?

Why is it scummy and not dumb?

[Nero Cain]

I have not been aligned with you on many reads

Right now? My gut says this

scum in:

Shadow_step
karnos
I Am Innocent - Def Wrong
kraska77 - Prob Wrong

prob town:

MichelSableheart - Could be Wrong
MariaR
Blitzkrieg
JarJarDrinks
Thor665
Elyse - Prob Wrong
gerryoat
Transcend

The only thing is is that Michel's logic is kinda questionable and all over the place but he had pretty questionable and bad logic in the other game so I think thats more likely to be a Michel tell and/or a 2007 join date playing like 2007 meta.

Where I'm at...with you in the could be scum pile too.

other than yourself we disagree on 2 reads...I don't get it.

[JarJarDrinks]

would rather lynch Elyse, but the Kraska push feels valid to me.

This is my opinion in reverse.

[I Am Innocent]

Why is it probably dumb and not probably scummy?

Why is it scummy and not dumb?

I asked you first.

[I Am Innocent]

Why do you think kraska is town?

I'll second this - I would rather lynch Elyse, but the Kraska push feels valid to me.

Do you think they are on the same team? Both are voting each other. While Elyse threw the L-1 vote at Maria, Kraska came crashing down on Elyse by attacking/voting her. I don't see the two aligned, and Elyse's play has been far scummier in my opinion.

PS - Someone attacked Kraska for having too many town reads/not being aggressive Day 1. I think having too many town reads is not how scum like to play, they like to keep their options open and allow for easy flip flopping later, so I respectfully disagree with that point.

[gerryoat]

oh maria is still voting me? lol. maria why am i scum?

Why are you worried about my vote over the other people voting you?

Mostly cause I don't think you're stupid enough to "slip"

so the only reason you vote me is because i'm softing PR. is that correct?

[Elyse]

Also Elyse, town panic all the time even masons so your shade there is p dumb. My stance is basicly a wait and see approach. Yes Maria is scummy and flailing around like a chicken with its head cut off and yes Transcend is scummy but I don't think that's really reason to disbelieve the claim

I could see a town PR still panicking but a mason that is confirmed by another player who says "I wish I could fakeclaim but I'm just gonna claim VT" seems fake as fuck to me.

[Elyse]

Because your vote looked the most opportunistic on a theory Mason, so I want to flip you on the presumption that with a functional lynch wagon onsaid Mason (counting IAI) and mason buddy off, that we are looking at near assured scum on the wagon.

Basing your scumreads on unconfirmed (and probably false) mason claims is ridiculous

I thought you were town this time. Am I wrong?

[JarJarDrinks]

Basing your scumreads on unconfirmed (and probably false) mason claims is ridiculous

stupid mason claim I want to lynch you with fire

So why can't u lynch maria w/ fire?

[Elyse]

Why do you think kraska is town?

I'll second this - I would rather lynch Elyse, but the Kraska push feels valid to me.

Do you think they are on the same team? Both are voting each other. While Elyse threw the L-1 vote at Maria, Kraska came crashing down on Elyse by attacking/voting her. I don't see the two aligned, and Elyse's play has been far scummier in my opinion.

PS - Someone attacked Kraska for having too many town reads/not being aggressive Day 1. I think having too many town reads is not how scum like to play, they like to keep their options open and allow for easy flip flopping later, so I respectfully disagree with that point.

Your tunnel on me sucks.

p-edit

no one's going to support a lynch on a mason d1

[I Am Innocent]

I have not been aligned with you on many reads

Right now? My gut says this

scum in:

Shadow_step
karnos
I Am Innocent - Def Wrong
kraska77 - Prob Wrong

prob town:

MichelSableheart - Could be Wrong
MariaR
Blitzkrieg
JarJarDrinks
Thor665
Elyse - Prob Wrong
gerryoat
Transcend

The only thing is is that Michel's logic is kinda questionable and all over the place but he had pretty questionable and bad logic in the other game so I think thats more likely to be a Michel tell and/or a 2007 join date playing like 2007 meta.

Where I'm at...with you in the could be scum pile too.

other than yourself we disagree on 2 reads...I don't get it.

Well looking now yeah, but when I felt that way was well before your full reads list in Post 489, and before the Mason claims. Back when you were exclusively pushing Karnos, Shadow, and Kraska and ignoring Elyse. Felt like and odd list to me that didn't line up with mine at the time. The claims have changed things, as has Gerry showing up and making me feel better about that slot. POE does align us better, but I still don't like you ignoring Elyse at all.

[JarJarDrinks]

no one's going to support a lynch on a mason d1

Yeah and the reason is cause it most likely comes from town.

[JarJarDrinks]

And did u mean "no one's going to support a lynch on a mason

claim

d1"

[Thor665]

Do you think they are on the same team? Both are voting each other. While Elyse threw the L-1 vote at Maria, Kraska came crashing down on Elyse by attacking/voting her. I don't see the two aligned, and Elyse's play has been far scummier in my opinion.

PS - Someone attacked Kraska for having too many town reads/not being aggressive Day 1. I think having too many town reads is not how scum like to play, they like to keep their options open and allow for easy flip flopping later, so I respectfully disagree with that point.

I am not convinced they are scumbuddies.
I will agree they are voting each other.
I will agree that Elyse's play is scummier - pretty sure I'm voting her.
I disagree that Kraska has too many town reads - he's attacking wagons, he isn't calling people town.

Basing your scumreads on unconfirmed (and probably false) mason claims is ridiculous

Link me to any game wherein scum fakeclaimed Masons day 1 and I'll be much inclined to move my vote.

I thought you were town this time. Am I wrong?

No.
Now let's flip you and find out if I'm wrong.

[I Am Innocent]

Why do you think kraska is town?

I'll second this - I would rather lynch Elyse, but the Kraska push feels valid to me.

Do you think they are on the same team? Both are voting each other. While Elyse threw the L-1 vote at Maria, Kraska came crashing down on Elyse by attacking/voting her. I don't see the two aligned, and Elyse's play has been far scummier in my opinion.

PS - Someone attacked Kraska for having too many town reads/not being aggressive Day 1. I think having too many town reads is not how scum like to play, they like to keep their options open and allow for easy flip flopping later, so I respectfully disagree with that point.

Your tunnel on me sucks.

Self admitted tunneler here.

In Pick Your Power, LLD dropped the biggest D1 scum tell***, I called it out late Day 1 but nobody wanted to listen, and she ended up winning in MyLo. I promised myself after that game I'm not going to let that happen again.

***For those who haven't played with me, I don't say what these early game town and scum tells are cause once you do, people learn to avoid making these tells in future games.

[Transcend]

K I'm not keen on getting blacklisted so I'm not mason, but i heavily believe you should not lynch MariaR.

[Thor665]

***For those who haven't played with me, I don't say what these early game town and scum tells are cause once you do, people learn to avoid making these tells in future games.

No they don't.

Unvote: Elyse
Vote: Maria

[Transcend]

W/e yo enjoy your ml

[I Am Innocent]

Dude, game is going and there are actually two potentially sexy wagons to be on - why you sidelining instead of sheeping me?

which wagons? maria and michel?
both wagons suck

@Jarjar and nero
What makes transcend scum? Bc I'm not seeing it

VOTE: elyse
if uve really seen scummaria before, u would know that scumher is consistent as f
this doesnt resemble her scumplay at all

Thor I see what you mean, but saying wagons suck and not seeing players as scum is transferable to a somewhat town read. If kraska later jumped on Maria, Michel, or Transcend later without good reason, she'd be strung up quicker than a kite.

Still I give town points to defending two claimed masons before it was cool to do so.

[JarJarDrinks]

VOTE: Transcend

[Transcend]

You know im town idiot

[I Am Innocent]

K I'm not keen on getting blacklisted so I'm not mason, but i heavily believe you should not lynch MariaR.

This is going to be a fun one I can see...

Nero does this change your reads at all?

[Nero Cain]

or you know, kraska could just be scum that knows all the players are town.