Newbie 1735 - Banana Split (Game Over!)

[jon_h61]

I do not hope to play with you anytime soon unless you flip scum and for the record I still don't think that's the case

So you're saying I'm playing a good scum game? Do you mean I just look like I'm scum hunting? What big revelations(besides you being town) would I have found as Town!

[Dragonfire]

@iron:

Why did you vote Jon and then unvote?

@GM:

Why are my posts "silly"?

@copper:

Why did you go back to scumreading me? Is it just because you think DDD is Town and so my interactions with him look scummy? Or is it because of so-called "associative tells"? Also, you never explained why you think I'm scum with Accountant, unless I missed something.

Also, re: post 913, I townread Accountant based on reading his posts before I replaced in. To be honest I haven't seen anything remarkably towny from him since then, although since I haven't seen anything remarkably scummy, he's still on the town side of the spectrum for me.

[copper223]

So you're saying I'm playing a good scum game? Do you mean I just look like I'm scum hunting? What big revelations(besides you being town) would I have found as Town!

I have no idea how someone could read my previous post and arrive at the above conclusions.

I said I think you are town despite your silly post.

I also said, if I happen to be wrong about you and you are actually scum, then kudos, it was unexpected of you to try and redirect the lynch on me and if it actually worked that was well played, although based on your latest posts you also got lucky to replace close to the deadline because you'd crumble after a while.

I finally said I don't think that's the case and if I am right I certainly don't hope to play with you in the future.

Now if that were an AtI I would have to appeal to you about something first, correct?

If you are town you should start with my ISO, I have a strong feeling that since there are a lot of posts in there you skimmed it.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

If you are town you should start with my ISO, I have a strong feeling that since there are a lot of posts in there you skimmed it.

*Snort* And whose fault was that?

[copper223]

@Dragon

@copper: Why did you go back to scumreading me? Is it just because you think DDD is Town and so my interactions with him look scummy? Or is it because of so-called "associative tells"? Also, you never explained why you think I'm scum with Accountant, unless I missed something.

Also, re: post 913, I townread Accountant based on reading his posts before I replaced in. To be honest I haven't seen anything remarkably towny from him since then, although since I haven't seen anything remarkably scummy, he's still on the town side of the spectrum for me.

I am convinced Jae is town, they tell me they think Accountant and DDD are not scum (I've been going back and forth with the two of them so I'm likely the more biased of the two when judging those players), but we do both agree that you could be scum and that's one point.

You and Accountant being a team is based on you saying (and me verifying) that you tend to town-read your teammates as scum, that you've given a town-read on Accountant that I don't understand (and when I asked you to explain or prodded you about a point I made for why Accountant is scum, you told me those things were NAI, but if that's the case where does the town-read come from and why weren't you worried about me pushing NAI points in the first place?).

DDD is the only scum-read you have so your case on him is an important part of your read, when I first read it the point you made about how he handled the Drealmerz joke seemed legit to me (I also thought there might be something there), so I checked the interaction and I found the post I quoted, but the way DDD says he interpreted it is possible and his subsequent logic for why there was one scum on him and one sitting on the sidelines makes sense and it's the same process I've used to PoE one scum between {Acc., DDD, GM} and the rest of you.

[copper223]

*Snort* And whose fault was that?

His of course, go check how I behave when I replace. Either take the time to do it properly or leave it to someone else.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

[Dragonfire]

@Dragon

@copper: Why did you go back to scumreading me? Is it just because you think DDD is Town and so my interactions with him look scummy? Or is it because of so-called "associative tells"? Also, you never explained why you think I'm scum with Accountant, unless I missed something.

Also, re: post 913, I townread Accountant based on reading his posts before I replaced in. To be honest I haven't seen anything remarkably towny from him since then, although since I haven't seen anything remarkably scummy, he's still on the town side of the spectrum for me.

I am convinced Jae is town, they tell me they think Accountant and DDD are not scum (I've been going back and forth with the two of them so I'm likely the more biased of the two when judging those players), but we do both agree that you could be scum and that's one point.

You and Accountant being a team is based on you saying (and me verifying) that you tend to town-read your teammates as scum, that you've given a town-read on Accountant that I don't understand (and when I asked you to explain or prodded you about a point I made for why Accountant is scum, you told me those things were NAI, but if that's the case where does the town-read come from and why weren't you worried about me pushing NAI points in the first place?).

DDD is the only scum-read you have so your case on him is an important part of your read, when I first read it the point you made about how he handled the Drealmerz joke seemed legit to me (I also thought there might be something there), so I checked the interaction and I found the post I quoted, but the way DDD says he interpreted it is possible and his subsequent logic for why there was one scum on him and one sitting on the sidelines makes sense and it's the same process I've used to PoE one scum between {Acc., DDD, GM} and the rest of you.

I just told you, the townread comes from me reading Accountant's posts before my first catch-up post.

So you bascially scumread me by PoE, because you think Jae is town and so automatically trust his reads, and you think DDD's logic makes sense? Also, I agree that there's definitely at least one scum in {Accountant, DDD, GM}.

[jon_h61]

@copper I've read a lot of your posts in every one else's posts. But you right about me not reading you in ISO. I still think of us nine, you are most likely to be scum. I'll try to get a wall put up to show why I think that but phone. Ugh.

Who knows, maybe I'll cave and unvote you.

[jon_h61]

Actually I think that is a waste of time. I think you're scum because of your attacks. They're weak, or meant to intimidate. I think you're scum.

[copper223]

I just told you, the townread comes from me reading Accountant's posts before my first catch-up post.

So you bascially scumread me by PoE, because you think Jae is town and so automatically trust his reads, and you think DDD's logic makes sense? Also, I agree that there's definitely at least one scum in {Accountant, DDD, GM}.

Don't be disingenuous, I don't blindly trust Jae's reads over mine, if I had a vig. shot Accountant would not be in this game anymore, if I had unlimited vig. shots I would go through those three until I found the scum player, then would look for the associatives and shoot their most likely buddy, likely outside of that pool.

Since that's not how it's going to work, if I am to cooperate with Jae we have to pool our reads together and find what we can both agree on as likely scum, and that's you more than anyone else given both of our positions.

I think that if your case on DDD is bad you are more likely to be scum and DDD's latest posts point more in that direction.

[copper223]

Actually I think that is a waste of time. I think you're scum because of your attacks. They're weak, or meant to intimidate. I think you're scum.

I never thought I would need to argue for someone to actually read the stuff I write before claiming to have an opinion, this is fucking Orwellian level shit.

[jon_h61]

Look, when reading ISOs I jump from it to the thread when I come across something I question. So its not like I haven't seen anything you've said. Putting out your suspicions (like some recent posts do) will help me better. I've read a lot of what you posted. I could be wrong. I don't think I am.

I won't convince you you're scum so I think we're done.

[Dragonfire]

I just told you, the townread comes from me reading Accountant's posts before my first catch-up post.

So you bascially scumread me by PoE, because you think Jae is town and so automatically trust his reads, and you think DDD's logic makes sense? Also, I agree that there's definitely at least one scum in {Accountant, DDD, GM}.

Don't be disingenuous, I don't blindly trust Jae's reads over mine, if I had a vig. shot Accountant would not be in this game anymore, if I had unlimited vig. shots I would go through those three until I found the scum player, then would look for the associatives and shoot their most likely buddy, likely outside of that pool.

Since that's not how it's going to work, if I am to cooperate with Jae we have to pool our reads together and find what we can both agree on as likely scum, and that's you more than anyone else given both of our positions.

I think that if your case on DDD is bad you are more likely to be scum and DDD's latest posts point more in that direction.

Well the issue is that when I am lynched and flip town, you'll probably be next, as I won't be around to argue against your lynch and most people seem to think either you or I is scum. So I'd rather not die, knowing that my death will likely cause the death of another townie. I would be fine with my lynch if you agreed to lynch DDD tomorrow after my flip, but it seems like that's not going to happen.

[copper223]

@Dragon
I understand, regardless of your alignment you should vote for me here.

I am also really not in the mood to continue so if you're town we probably have better chances if you make your DDD case tomorrow.

If you are town, look at the players that positioned themselves to vote for one of us regardless of the flip, they may be the ones setting up the mis-lynch, I am pretty confident of my Jae read so try to work with them.

[goodmorning]

BECAUSE YOU ARE FRUSTRATING.

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We're nearly at 1000 posts. This is not early in the game.

By early in the game, I mean it's D1 and we have no flips, how can you figure out an alignment if you don't even know flips?

idk, maybe try ACTUALLY READING PEOPLE'S POSTS AND INTERACTING WITH THE GAME MAYBE????????????

It's totally different: they're equally likely to be Scum, probably both aren't, but Dragon is more likely to be Town.
When I put myself in his shoes, I can see where a townie could have posted some of that silliness. I can't say the same for copper.

Only in mafia does this sort of argument make any sense (and it does). What sort of silliness?

The you-scum case that they put forward, for instance.
copper backed down; Dragon didn't.

@Dragon: You should definitely post final reads. Don't claim until intent is given though.

Well the issue is that when I am lynched and flip town, you'll probably be next, as I won't be around to argue against your lynch and most people seem to think either you or I is scum. So I'd rather not die,

knowing that my death will likely cause the death of another townie

. I would be fine with my lynch if you agreed to lynch DDD tomorrow after my flip, but it seems like that's not going to happen.

what

[ironstove]

That was a scum slip that gm just pointed out

[ironstove]

Detective stove does it again

[GuyInFreezer]

VC 1.16

Accountant (1):

GuiltyLion

copper223 (3):

goodmorning, jon_h61, Accountant

Debonair Danny DiPietro (2):

ironstove, DragonFire

DragonFire (3):

Debonair Danny DiPietro, JaeReed, copper223

Not Voting:

None

With

9

votes,

5

votes to lynch.

The deadline is in (expired on 2016-09-10 16:07:31).

[jon_h61]

NGR @ gm about posts, yours are what I was asking for even before I asked. When in I iso I always knew who you were talking to. As long as the first quoted post indicates who you're addressing. I'll assume all other strips still refer back to the same person.
I think it'd profit everyone (especially replacements) if we all did it.

Carry on.

[jon_h61]

To anyone Town reading copper, could you point me to the conversation or post that you think makes him Town?

[JaeReed]

My initial read of DDD is Town. I still don't get the copper/Dragon tag team. Just seems "too scummy to be scum." I'm almost sure one of them is scum. The argument is just so convoluted. It doesn't feel natural (to me).

I'll disagree with Accountant and agree the too scummy to be scum is a thing and while I wouldn't say copper/Dragon have achieved that, the way they've been operating as a tag team feels very strange. Personally I'm more inclined towards one of (copper/Dragon) with a teammate sitting a bit off to the side in (Jae/GL) but there is a possibility that Dragon replaced in and felt the need to help his buddy make his point and then figuring they'd already linked each other they just embraced it hoping to draw the exact argument that scum wouldn't link that closely together. There's even a little bit of suggestive evidence for the latter theory with copper's weird little jaunt into suspecting Dragon for like five seconds until Dragon posted the exact same arguments we'd seen before.

A) Too scummy to be scum is not a thing. Scummy looking people can just be scum. The end.
B) The way copper/Dragon have been acting is more indicative of not being partners than anything. You're not analyzing. You're jumping through so many hoops to try to make that theory work instead of actually evaluating the plausibility that it's fucking astounding.
C) Your "reads" with partnerships are now bad enough to actually be AI.

I have never been lynched as town, I have never reached lylo as town (other than as a tree-stump) and in a newbie I have never survived past D2 as town, this is how bad some of you are, read the flip and weep at your ineptitude.

l o l
I've said it before:
If one place you go smells of shit it's probably a poorly-cleaned public convenience. If every place you go smells of shit you may want to check your shoes.

"I get fear-killed N1 or N2 as town all the time or otherwise lynched D2 due to burden of proficiency because my reads are usually good"
"lol u suck ever think of that?"

GM...stahp.

I think copper is town guaranteed after that post

ugh, seriously???

yes, seriously. As a supposed tone reader you should have felt that too. That's not the seething rage of caught scum. That's the seething rage of a good player about to be lynched for playing the way he always plays. I'm not letting it happen.

[ironstove]

VOTE: Dragon

This is L-1. I'm fine with lynching dragon.

[ironstove]

I would still prefer DDD, but I'm curious if that post was a legit scum slip or stupid town.

[jon_h61]

@ Jae have you played with copper before?

I know if I was scum, I wouldn't go quietly into the Night. I won't as Town either.
Do you think he's Town that's right about something. Or just Town? Who's looking worse out of those accusing him?

Pedit me too