Newbie 1735 - Banana Split (Game Over!)

[copper223]

I was already looking for the possible buddies outside of the 3 pushing on me at that point.

[jon_h61]

P -> Q by itself isn't an obvious statement at all so you need to justify that first.

Not for the point I made above I don't.

Why is town less likely to be opportunistic compared to scum?

Because scum have to mislynch a townie so they are on the look-out for opportunities to do so, sometimes they take them and sometimes they don't depending on many factors but on average it's more likely to reflect their behavior compared to a townie that has very little incentive (some cases exist where they are also at risk or we are getting close to the deadline and they believe that a lynch is better than none but they are mostly irrelevant at the moment) and will mostly only do so by happenstance.

Speaking of justification, you have as yet not told me what good arguments there are that you are aware of for my wagon, nor why scumGL would more likely side with Jae in his opening post (see 267), according to you ignoring requests to clarify reads are an indicator that you are scum coasting.

Mushroom food. What does this even mean?

[copper223]

What do you want to know about it?

Accountant claimed that the connection between being less opportunistic and being town is not obvious (which by the way was irrelevant for the point I was mistakenly making about GM but that' another story), so I explained why lack of opportunism is in general townie, as a good example:
- Assume I am town here, does Dragon's behavior now that he is at L-1, in this case, make him more likely town or scum?

Pretty clearly town because of his lack of opportunism, as scum he would almost be forced to go against his earlier read and vote me because his priority is survival, he may compromise himself but at least he lives another day.

I then went on to question Accountant about his stated opinions at the time.

[copper223]

@Accountant
What's your GL read?

[JaeReed]

Copper, what's the VC at atm? I'm drunk but prefer DDD over Dragon at this stage. Can you math it for me? Don't wanna no lynch but don't want a you lynch.

[JaeReed]

Also GL is town on his own right regardless of Accountant.

[copper223]

@Jae
If you believe that GL likely doesn't make that early push on you as town, then like GM on Dragon he could have also been soft bussing DDD and since he decided to distance himself from his push on me by WKing and his push on Accountant failed, he now wants to close the deal on Dragon (and the way he voted kind of implies he knew it was likely not going to be a good flip) before the question about him joining the DDD wagon comes up again.

Both you and Jon are telling me that this is not Accountant's scum game and if Accountant is town then that's not so unlikely of a scenario.

[copper223]

VC 1.17 unofficial

copper223 (3):

goodmorning, jon_h61, Accountant

Debonair Danny DiPietro (3):

ironstove, DragonFire, copper223

DragonFire (3):

Debonair Danny DiPietro, JaeReed, GuiltyLion

Not Voting:

None

With

9

votes,

5

votes to lynch.

The deadline is in (expired on 2016-09-10 16:07:31).

[copper223]

DDD is maf.

[Accountant]

jae, you think GM is scum right?

[JaeReed]

VOTE: DDD

Literally anyone but copper is a good vote.

[Accountant]

jae, you think GM is scum right?

[JaeReed]

Probably.

[copper223]

@Accountant
DDD is scum, if he doesn't flip scum I won't even try to defend myself tomorrow.

[Accountant]

opportunistic intent to hammer

[ironstove]

Based on looking through past games, this is town GM.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

opportunistic intent to hammer

You know he's lying to you, right?

VOTE: copper

At least let someone who might be scum in GL make the mistake of lynching me instead of wasting your credibility on it. Or maybe he'll make the right decision and we'll actually get a scum lynch today.

[copper223]

GL get the fuck in here and hammer before they get me?

[copper223]

That is what a scum claim looks like Iron.

[Accountant]

I dont like it when I say intent to hammer and the guy responds with ate

[copper223]

More importantly he doesn't claim, and as DGB would say, that is scum play.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

I dont like it when I say intent to hammer and the guy responds with ate

And I don't like it when you say intent to hammer just because you can. Guess we don't always get what we want. I'm just pointing out that if you don't act like an idiot, there's still a chance we get what we need.

More importantly he doesn't claim, and as DGB would say, that is scum play.

A claim should always be a last resort. I don't believe I'm at that point yet.

[ironstove]

This guy (DDD) isn't a PR unless it's a mafia PR.

[copper223]

Obviously not, if you are a town PR the last thing you want is for someone to randomly hammer you while you hesitate.

DDD is trying to buy time, then if forced he will claim VT and that he did not want to help scum by narrowing the PR pool.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Obviously not, if you are a town PR the last thing you want is for someone to randomly hammer you while you hesitate.

DDD is trying to buy time, then if forced he will claim VT and that he did not want to help scum by narrowing the PR pool.

No one is going to randomly hammer, the impulsive idiots are already all voting for me.