Mini Normal 1829 - Game Over

[Transcend]

Assuming you have an encryptor.

[Transcend]

It's not a joke. He's dead. He's done for. He's toast. He'll be joining the Dead PT.

[MariaR]

YASSSS

[Thor665]

nero has defended me the most. but why defend me? why am i town to you?

You're actually changing the conversation and ducking the question I asked you, so after I answer this distract question I'm going to repeat mine.

I defended you because the case on you was shallow and dumb - I asked a very simple question 'how is what he did scummy?' and the wagon disintegrated.
That drastically proves my stance, and absolutely justifies the defense.

Now, back to you, what the heck were you talking about suggesting I wanted you lynched? That came out of nowhere, had no support in reality, and was pants on head levels of 'bwuh?'. Why did you say it?

@Blitzkrieg, Thor: Feel free to join me on the Transcend wagon. If only one out of Transcend/Maria is scum, it's more likely to be Transcend (who started the fakeclaim) then Maria (who only went along with it).

I would be more likely to join the Kraska or Elyse wagon than to hop on a Transcend wagon at this stage - your case has loose merit at best, and overlooks that despite it being bad play people do that sort of gak all the time.

[Transcend]

No point in communicating to the walking corpse anymore.

[Thor665]

If you really did what you did, then we'll find out.
If you didn't, I'm fine with playing like it's a bluff.
You've already got your "reaction" so the gambit if it's a gambit has already done the "benefit" and if it's not a gambit then there's no negativity in communicating with him.

[MariaR]

Can I be clear if Sable flips scum?

Yes?

Thank you.

[MichelSableheart]

I would be more likely to join the Kraska or Elyse wagon than to hop on a Transcend wagon at this stage - your case has loose merit at best, and overlooks that despite it being bad play people do that sort of gak all the time.

That's my point though. If he's town, he wouldn't do this all the time. He wouldn't do this if he felt his townread on maria wasn't strong enough. He wouldn't do it if he felt he had other ways to safe her. He wouldn't do it if he felt Maria was not worth saving. He wouldn't do it if his own role was too important to risk over a fakeclaim.

If he's scum, on the other hand, the only reason I can think of for him not to pull that gambit is if he felt Maria wouldn't go along with it. But given Maria's feelings on him at the time, the chance of that is neglectable.

[Thor665]

I'm not saying he does it all the time (though he might, for all I know).
I'm saying town players do it all the time.

[Thor665]

Like, in this game's playerlist alone we have Elyse, who has done it as scum, and Nero who has done it as town.
And that's presuming no one else has done it, and for all I know they have.
It's not a valid tell.

[MichelSableheart]

But you're never going to find actions in thread that town would never take. If town never takes them, scum can't afford to take them either or they would get lynched in a heartbeat.

If you know nothing about a player, he has a certain chance to be scum.

If he subsequently takes an action that he's very likely to take if he's scum, and not likely to take if he's town, it becomes far more likely that he's scum, even if there are situations where he would take that action as town.

[Transcend]

the dude died lol

[MariaR]

Let's assume Transcend is scum why wouldn't he let my lynch go through as scum I think he's smart enough to think of the backfire the mason thing has and I may not have town read him for it doesn't it seem risky

[JarJarDrinks]

Look at me still being L-3 Rofl...!!!

Yeah I think it's funny too. I was hoping u'd be lynched by now.

[chilledtea]

Shadow_step has been prodded.

[Transcend]

ahem... moderator....

[MariaR]

It was a GAMBIT???????

[MichelSableheart]

Let's assume Transcend is scum why wouldn't he let my lynch go through as scum I think he's smart enough to think of the backfire the mason thing has and I may not have town read him for it doesn't it seem risky

If you're both scum, he would try to safe a teammate.

If you're town and he's scum, he would be getting a free pass the first couple of days (see the response to the mason claim). If the claim eventually falls through and people start lynching the claimed masons, his team will still be able to get the mislynch on you out of the deal.

[Transcend]

JJD:

I don't exactly think you're scum for this but....

If you thought I was BSing my mason claim why did you vote me immediately when I retracted as opposed to when I was actually claiming mason...

[JarJarDrinks]

It was a GAMBIT???????

It's just more crappy distraction designed to look like he's actually participating.

A town player that already caused a ruckus w/ the mason claim doesn't make another stupid pointless play.

[MariaR]

JJD:

I don't exactly think you're scum for this but....

If you thought I was BSing my mason claim why did you vote me immediately when I retracted as opposed to when I was actually claiming mason...

STOP THE GAMBITTTT

[Thor665]

But you're never going to find actions in thread that town would never take. If town never takes them, scum can't afford to take them either or they would get lynched in a heartbeat.

If you know nothing about a player, he has a certain chance to be scum.

If he subsequently takes an action that he's very likely to take if he's scum, and not likely to take if he's town, it becomes far more likely that he's scum, even if there are situations where he would take that action as town.

That is a gross oversimplification of my rebuttal, and also of the very concept of the game.
The point is that actions have rough percentages, some are more likely to be done as scum, or as town, even though both alignments do them.
You are presenting that there is zero chance town do what he did.
I am showing evidence that town explicitly do it - and am suggesting they do it in fairly even numbers.
You're then debating emptiness with me, I don't get it.

It was a GAMBIT???????

My entire core is shocked to the foundations indeed.
At least he got a good reaction test to analyze, except for the good and the reaction part.

[Transcend]

yeah i admit that wasn't even reactionary or anything i did it just because he's pissing me off and his logic does not sound genuine at all.

[Transcend]

It was a GAMBIT???????

It's just more crappy distraction designed to look like he's actually participating.

A town player that already caused a ruckus w/ the mason claim doesn't make another stupid pointless play.

Care to bet?

Offer starts at one penny.

Wanna raise?

[Thor665]

The logic is bad, but, frankly, Maria's last dozen posts are pretty much empty air which is also bad and you super strong town read her, so I don't know why you're getting hung up on only Michael's brand of bad.