Mini 1820 — Lazy Summer Mafia (Game Over)

MariaR · Post Post #2550 (ISO) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 1:55 am

I think you took advantage of my slight rookie ness and thought of 2 things either 1) get me to vote rask with some reasoning ate and the fact we played before/somewhat friends or 2) thought I'd be an easier push then slan

Vedith · Post Post #2551 (ISO) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 1:55 am

In post 2549, Raskolnikov wrote:
In post 2541, Vedith wrote:
In post 2540, Raskolnikov wrote:Vedith why were you scumreading me again?
Meta / Logical thinking (at least imo)
How exactly?

How what?
Meta you seemed off and I already explained the DGB meta.
Logical thinking I've explained. Tracker made no sense as scum and Infinity was doc, claiming doc as scum would have been terrible play.
Slandaar had much stronger posting than you early game.

Vedith · Post Post #2552 (ISO) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 1:56 am

In post 2550, MariaR wrote:I think you took advantage of my slight rookie ness and thought of 2 things either 1) get me to vote rask with some reasoning ate and the fact we played before/somewhat friends or 2) thought I'd be an easier push then slan

Ok

Raskolnikov · Post Post #2553 (ISO) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 1:59 am

Everyone else townreading maria makes sense from their perspectives, but shouldn't you as watcher think town having both tracker and watcher is weird?

MariaR · Post Post #2554 (ISO) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 2:00 am

Are you not gonna debate my points even a little?

MariaR · Post Post #2555 (ISO) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 2:02 am

In post 2553, Raskolnikov wrote:Everyone else townreading maria makes sense from their perspectives, but shouldn't you as watcher think town having both tracker and watcher is weird?

you think having tracker and watcher is weird?

Vedith · Post Post #2556 (ISO) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 2:03 am

In post 2553, Raskolnikov wrote:Everyone else townreading maria makes sense from their perspectives, but shouldn't you as watcher think town having both tracker and watcher is weird?

Not at all.
I mean, obviously now I know but in that time of thinking night 2 is for us to catch a scum member and the other 2 scum to lynch from correct knowledge.

Scum job in that situation is to send their scummiest looking player out for the kill (if they decide to kill)

And I already said that it's likely that at least 1 PR is lynch (or outted) before powers are used.

Vedith · Post Post #2557 (ISO) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 2:03 am

In post 2554, MariaR wrote:Are you not gonna debate my points even a little?

No

MariaR · Post Post #2558 (ISO) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 2:08 am

This isn't even fun anyone

Raskolnikov · Post Post #2559 (ISO) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 2:10 am

Vedith, at one point I remember you scumreading maria and then changing your mind, what happened?

Vedith · Post Post #2560 (ISO) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 2:11 am

In post 2559, Raskolnikov wrote:Vedith, at one point I remember you scumreading maria and then changing your mind, what happened?

I decided against it.

Raskolnikov · Post Post #2561 (ISO) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 2:29 am

Vedith · Post Post #2562 (ISO) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 2:32 am

In post 2561, Raskolnikov wrote:Why

Just a feeling.

Raskolnikov · Post Post #2563 (ISO) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 2:49 am

maybe maria is the scum here

Vedith · Post Post #2564 (ISO) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 2:56 am

Maybe

Marquis · Post Post #2565 (ISO) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 4:05 am

VOTECOUNT 6.01

0

MariaR

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0

Raskolnikov

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+1

Vedith

— MariaR

(L-1)

+2

NOT VOTING

— Raskolnikov, Vedith

With 3 alive, it takes 2 votes to lynch.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2016-09-22 23:00:00)

(Thu Sep 22 @ 11:00 PM EST)

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Awaiting prod responses from: N/A
Searching for replacements for: N/A
Vacation/Limited Access: N/A

Raskolnikov · Post Post #2566 (ISO) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 4:42 am

In post 2513, MariaR wrote:I have a theory but it depends on rask idk I'm so nervous

I'm just curious, what was the theory?

Raskolnikov · Post Post #2567 (ISO) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 4:52 am

In post 2548, Vedith wrote:
In post 2546, Raskolnikov wrote:Why do you flip read on maria before she even votes you?
The person killed last night made no difference.
I even tried to encourage in the day that my vote would be on you or Slandaar.
Any of you 3 were going to vote me over the others so Maria killed who was most town read made sense.

Sure I could have kept her alive to use that as a case but town me knows that she should have been killed.

Your question is pointless because if I'm scum I'm going to make this reason up if I'm town I'm going to believe this reason.

Either way it doesn't adjust my align in anyway.

But why do you flip read on maria there?

Vedith · Post Post #2568 (ISO) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 6:04 am

In post 2567, Raskolnikov wrote:But why do you flip read on maria there?

I already went through this and sadly I just don't care enough to keep repeating myself.

You can either vote scum Maria
Or you can vote town me

(This is something I would be saying as either alignment, take it as you will)

Raskolnikov · Post Post #2569 (ISO) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 6:07 am

I don't know why slandaar being killed would make you assume maria is scum before she votes when I could easily have done that kill if I were scum.

Vedith · Post Post #2570 (ISO) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 6:12 am

In post 2569, Raskolnikov wrote:I don't know why slandaar being killed would make you assume maria is scum before she votes when I could easily have done that kill if I were scum.

Why would you ever kill Slandaar over Maria? My possibly lynches were only Slandaar and you. Going by my posting yesterday, Maria would never have been up for the chop from my point of view so if you were scum, keeping Maria alive would have been a lot riskier than Slandaar (Encase I actually built a worthy case against you)
Considering I believed that VT was scum, you removing the other VT here would be stupid.
It looks like you've made your mind up, just vote...

I'm heading home.

Raskolnikov · Post Post #2571 (ISO) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 6:59 am

How familiar are you with maria's meta?

Vedith · Post Post #2572 (ISO) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 7:12 am

In post 2571, Raskolnikov wrote:How familiar are you with maria's meta?

It's hard to say.
I think her meta depends on the players she's with, and uses what those players said as town in previous games as her playing field.
Last scum game I was with her (I think I already put this?) she had 2 friends in and seemed more confident in just shouting the entire game, because both of her friends normally town read her for that.
In the game where she was scum with KTS and Zach, I think she was more mellow on the scum sided and just played on her innocence because she wasn't in as much of a comfort zone as she was with Gerry and Trans.
Originally I felt that she was ready to shout towards me as she might be getting slightly more conftable considering we are in a few games together, but then as we were just scumming it together at the time, she quickly backed off, possibly so my alarm bells didn't go off.
I thought I was just thinking too much into it and decided to ignore it.

Here she seems to be trying more in an innocence kind of play as she doesn't have her friends in here to read up for shouting.

I'm not confident enough on Maria's meta to go by that purely (hence the retraction on day 3) as I haven't played with her as town yet (or confirmed town, at least).
However, going by how she acted with Trans and Gerry (and Trans calling her town for it), her town game is being stubborn, loud and a lot more forceful... Again, this could be a comfort thing on personality rather than meta.

Raskolnikov · Post Post #2573 (ISO) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 7:18 am

You don't really sound that surprised today seeing me get confirmed as town and her as scum though, given yesterday.

Vedith · Post Post #2574 (ISO) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 7:22 am

In post 2573, Raskolnikov wrote:You don't really sound that surprised today seeing me get confirmed as town and her as scum though, given yesterday.

I've already explained this.
Scum can be manipulated imo. If they think 1 thing is bad, they won't go for it. This time it was leaving Maria alive.
Regardless if you think the way I think is stupid, I don't give 2 shits now... I was correct on Infinity and I was correct with you today.