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[Elyse]

Elyse, you don't get to ask me to explain my read on you and then accuse me of trying to paint you in a bad light because it's a scumread.

There's a difference between explaining a scumread and doing what you did.

[chilledtea]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT 1.13

gigabyteTroubadour (L-3) : MichelSableheart, Elyse, karnos, Blitzkrieg.

Elyse (L-3) : kraska77, I Am Innocent, gigabyteTroubadour, gerryoat.

karnos (L-5) : MariaR, Shadow_step.

MariaR (L-6) : Thor665.

MichelSableheart (L-6) : Nero Cain.

Not Voting (1) : JarJarDrinks.

Nero Cain will be v-la till Sunday.

Day will end in (expired on 2016-09-13 10:30:00)

[MariaR]

that's the point

Elyse I told you vote karnos with me or I'm gonna vote you will you join me or no

[Elyse]

No.

I'm slightly scumreading karnos but I don't feel good hopping on a wagon with you or Shadow step.

So go ahead and vote me

[MariaR]

Ah fk Elyse passed my reaction test.

[MariaR]

I felt like town Elyse would stay on that wagon while scum Elyse would hope on karnos out of fear zzz w/e I hate this but I'm still not lynching Giga and no one wants to vote karnos or Sable so I give up

VOTE: Elyse

[kraska77]

Did elyse even talk about karnos before for you to expect her to consider a hop on that wagon at all?

[MariaR]

Did elyse even talk about karnos before for you to expect her to consider a hop on that wagon at all?

Maybe I didn't really factor that in I was mostly going for fear. I still think she could be scum and smart enough to understand this but the read isn't as strong as it was before

[Elyse]

I would vote kraska or shadow

[Thor665]

I read Transcend as town (to your mind good at reading)
I read you as scum (to your mind bad at reading)
I would think I'd break even, no?

You have not provided any solid proof that you can't be scum - that is laughable as a concept.
I can't do that, and I know for a fact I'm town, so don't spit in the air and tell me it's raining.
I agree that you flipping scum would boost my ego.

And you haven't given reason I'm scum
Filler posts-NAI
I've disproven your contradictions saying I'm not consistent isn't a tell when I know how to stay consistent as scum

I never claimed consistency or lack of it as a reason to scum read you - I did point out that it lacked logic, and that I didn't believe anyone should think that, but that's a different matter.

Nice dodge from your claim of factual proofs and me pointing out you're blowing hot air though. As even if that had been part of my case, you still didn't disprove it beyond claiming that it was your meta.

Thor

, talk to me a bit more about your read on Elyse. You've mentioned a few times in your ISO that you found her scummy and did vote for her, but beyond finding one of her votes opportunistic I haven't seen much development on it. I'm kind of worried since your vote seems parked on a vanity wagon when it looks like you can reasonably give a wagon on one of your other scumreads traction.

My vanity wagon used to be a lead wagon till the wagon on you exploded.
The wagon on you exploded due to people mixing up being a ponce with being scum.

Walls o words from late aughts

Even back when you were playing the '

Dayvig: Derp

gambit was a thing, most often done by town, and I swear done about once a week on site at a minimum, I saw it in every third game, I swear, so don't sell me some silly story that scum fakeclaim more than town. Yes, I absolutely believe the opposite is true.

I also don't care to debate the validity of the tactic - I don't fakeclaim as scum, so I'm hardly one to stat suggesting the tactic is good. But, yes, I've seen town do fakeclaims that were brilliant and worked well, and I've seen the opposite. The strategy is not inherently flawed, only the application is.

That your case requires this defense of theory walls about 'proper play' speaks volumes to its actual worth in my mind.

[quote="In post 1045, gigabyteTroubadour"There also seems to be a recurring belief that one of {Me, Maria} is mafia, but at the moment I'm townreading Maria so this thought process seems kind of weird to me. I can understand scum!Me/town!Maria and obviously town!Me/town!Maria, but I'm not exactly getting town!Me/scum!Maria. So, if this is still something people believe I would like to hear the logic behind scum!Maria.[/quote]
I would like to hear the logic from you that rules it out.
Maria is being an opportunistic voter, openly so, and an AtE machine, who isn't explaining anything beyond when she does a scummy act and then deigns to hang a hat on it as a defense, mixed with defensive claims that are themselves AtE and meta based on a claim of superlative scum play, despite admitting that on her other site her scum play is considered weak and her town play strong.

She needs death.

She literally just did a reaction test to clear Elyse and then voted her.
Seriously now.
Where's Michael and his optimal theory play case on that one?

Maria I hope you know that if you actually are town then I'm really disappointed

Only voting you cause I don't see any other wagon starting between and I tr giga over you sorry!

Translation: She's voting you because she's scum with giga.

Giga who refuses to finish reading the thread but has a townread on Maria.

If you believe this, could you vote MariaR please?
Since Giga/Transcend was willing to fakeclaim to protect her, clearly Maria is the PR of the pair, natch.

wait wtf transcend is gone. lame af. he's being tamed compared to what he says on EM lmao. w/e, i still haven't gotten anyone to convince me to vote with them, so I will still vote no one for now

I'm a Lie Detector who can only use his powers on the Mod - I can confirm that the Mod has informed me that there is 0% chance that a vote on 'no one' is on scum and that it detected as true.
You should try again.

[Nero Cain]

I don't buy Thors role claim.

[kraska77]

I would vote kraska or shadow

And you're not voting either of us because...?

[Blitzkrieg]

Thor, what are you talking about the vote on no one?

Do you think we can swing Maria? I don't want to Unvote one scum to chase another.

[kraska77]

Who's the "other scum"? karnos?

[Nero Cain]

Who is it that was comparing Michel to Ira, was it giga?

[kraska77]

No that was me

[Nero Cain]

hrmmmmm......

[Nero Cain]

boy do I have a tinfoil theory!

[kraska77]

Edited list

town: nero, jar, giga
lean town: iai, gerryoat, michel, shadow, maria
dunno: thor, karnos
scum: blitz, elyse,

is where I'm at right now

[kraska77]

boy do I have a tinfoil theory!

Go on

[Nero Cain]

boy do I have a tinfoil theory!

Go on

Ira is largley considered a Vi. You could light defend him and try to put it in the minds of town that Michel is a Vi like Ira and thus we shouldn't think his bad and convoluted logic is scummy.

[Nero Cain]

vote:Elyse

We have a day and change left, go ahead and claim.

ANY HAMMERS BEFORE INTENT AND A FULL CLAIM WILL BE TREATED AS A SCUM CLAIM.

[kraska77]

boy do I have a tinfoil theory!

Go on

Ira is largley considered a Vi. You could light defend him and try to put it in the minds of town that Michel is a Vi like Ira and thus we shouldn't think his bad and convoluted logic is scummy.

Why am I not surprised

[Nero Cain]

whas that supposed to mean?

[Nero Cain]

also do you have a scum game I could read?