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[Nero Cain]

and I keep forgetting about your calling Michel a mislynch. That's still :/ Especially now that you are calling him scum.

[kraska77]

What do you think of iai?

[kraska77]

At the time I mad that post it reall looked like he's just lynchbait town
Now I'm reconsidering...I think I'm probably wrong about elyse so...

[Nero Cain]

I think he's a lurksack and I glared at him from the computer when he white knighted Thor. I think white knighting is p scummy and depending on how the game goes I may be up for lynching that.


ok explain how you went from lynchbait town to scum on Michel?

[kraska77]

to scum on Michel

I'm not really there yet
I just feel there's somehing off with the elyse wagon since so many seem to have a problem with it yet it still went through so easily
I'm pretty sure blitz is scum and Michel kinda makes sense as a scum buddy

[Nero Cain]

I'm pretty sure blitz is scum and Michel kinda makes sense as a scum buddy

explain that then

[kraska77]

The way he later tried to handwave the seriousness of his early posts on blitz when he received their naked vote as scummy is sketchy

Though now that I read his iso again...I'm not feeling a blitz/michel team at all so nvm

[kraska77]

Described* her* makes vote

[Nero Cain]

Do you normally waffle this hard?

[kraska77]

Naked* Vote
I need sleep


Perit: dunnoooo

[Nero Cain]

To me, it looked like he just picked one of the naked voters arbitrarily and pushed them.

He did do this but didn't do this at the same time. Like all of Blitz, IAI and Shadow did naked votes. He could maybe argue that his vote was a joke but it was still mostly naked. At first he argued that Blitz vote was scummier b/c her naked vote was first. He then changed it to that he was doing it to just get the game going. It again became well Blitz was scummier b/c of made up math. Its totally convoluted and made up.

His vote on Maria over Shadow is also shit.

Why are you willing to get lynched over Michel?

[Nero Cain]

On second though I

might

be ok with Gerry. I mean, yeah, this is p similar to scum him where he'd get p active when he was getting heat but I think a lot of players do play "scummy" on purpose.

I'm going back and forth on Giga. Like on one hand she seems kinda town but the whole crusading for her own policy lynch is kinda

ate

y and dumb.

Kinda think Titus is playing to her scum meta.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Kinda think Titus is playing to her scum meta.

ok so

i hate to meta someone playing under an alt because that's bad sportsmanship

but like i instinctively townread titus for absolutely zero reason almost every game i read her in. kraska can vouch for this because we talked about it in our hydra pt when that was a thing.

So what exactly makes you think this?

[Shadow_step]

Who is the Titus alt?

[kraska77]

Giga why do you think shadow is scum?

[Nero Cain]

i hate to meta someone playing under an alt because that's bad sportsmanship

this is pretty silly. Like if Blitz wasn't a public alt then I could understand not outting it and ruining it for other player but Blitz is public and already talked about it being a Titus alt.


Titus is doing shit all. She's not for today but I'm not willing to let her coast.

[Nero Cain]

i hate to meta someone playing under an alt because that's bad sportsmanship

this is pretty silly. Like if Blitz wasn't a public alt then I could understand not outting it and ruining it for other player but Blitz is public and already talked about it being a Titus alt.


Titus is doing shit all. She's not for today but I'm not willing to let her coast.

[Thor665]

Thor, what are you talking about the vote on no one?

I am assuring the game that a vote on no one will never be a vote on scum.

Do you think we can swing Maria? I don't want to Unvote one scum to chase another.

Maria is very obviously a lynch option for the day.
At the moment it is a Maria v. Gerry situation, which is super exciting to me.

B: My townflip will probably point to the fact that town is looking in the wrong direction, which I think it is. I am completely serious when I say that I want people to just put Maria and Kraska on ignore D2 and focus on the slots that haven't received much pressure. Kraska is really obvious town and I know I'm going to be the only one who sees that. Maria could absolutely be scum, but she's still a distraction I think, especially when there are lurkers who I can't even read (I think Karnos might be the town one, that's really all I got). More slots need sorting and pressure, not enough work was done D1 because Transcend was an idiot. Starting D2 off with another RVS/AVS actually is not that far-fetched of an idea, that's how badly information starved I think this town is.

Your argument for you being distracting is equally applicable to Maria.
Your campaign here is either scummy or terrible town play - so stop it either way please and thank you.
I don't need a second Maria in the game.

I think he's a lurksack and I glared at him from the computer when he white knighted Thor. I think white knighting is p scummy and depending on how the game goes I may be up for lynching that.

What would be the gain of the white knight though?
Either I was being replaced - in which case no town pocket, or Trans was being replaced - which would weaken the scum vibe he was pushing on him, and also I was on record not supporting that lynch.

[Nero Cain]

you've been here longer than me and you are asking me whats the scum motivation in white knighting?

I mean its not like something I'm super gung ho on but its something to consider.

[Thor665]

Nero, you've been here since 2009 and you are asking me to reword my post because it's too confusing to you I *specifically* described why the two motivations of white knighting didn't apply in the instance you were calling a white knighting, and then asked what the point was.

Is there a third motivation I missed?
Is there a reason one of my explanations doesn't apply?
That's what I'm asking.

[kraska77]

Thor who are you reading as town?

[JarJarDrinks]

@JJD
The ascetic claim is scummy to me. Transcend didn't claim it and then giga's claim seemed more of a "just in case" claim if someone got a no result on him or something. If giga truly believes that claiming ascetic is protown, then I feel as though he would do it as either alignment. It's scummy to me only because Transcend didn't claim it.

IDK, I feel like it draws attention to him which he wouldn't want to do.

Still probably leaning scum on the slot though.

[JarJarDrinks]

If you can get a wagon that's not on giga going I'd support it.

huh?

[Nero Cain]

thor, I don't think the situation where you may have replaced out makes any difference. Also he p much put the mod in the situation that unless he force replaced Trans he'd have to get replacements for you and him, so his hand was a bit forced I think. So yes, I think its something that he could do as scum.

[JarJarDrinks]

The question I've asked myself is what reason does scum transcend do that for:

1) Town Maria
2) Scum Maria

I see more of a reason for #2 and less for #1.

Then when you factor him backing off for potentially being blacklisted, why does scum transcend back off for #1 and #2 above?

The wagon on Maria was dying by the time he backed off, but once again a scum gambit would never get him black listed so what benefit unless both are scum.

I find scum transcend town Maria as the least likely combination of the 4.

These are some good points IAI. I think I agree w/ this analysis and probably would support Maria lynch over giga now.