Newbie 1735 - Banana Split (Game Over!)

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Scum pushed copper because he's a threat. DDD is now practically confscum based off that.

I mean this is self-evidently bullshit. I've never played with copper. I don't know who is good and who is bad unless I played with them 2 years ago. This town player pushed copper because he came after me with awful arguments that I doubted the sincerity of and because he had an anti-town playstyle.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

GL basically broadcasted to everyone that he's mafia, he's confirmed scum at this point, the only reason the guy wouldn't hammer DDD over copper is because DDD is scum.

The copper flip gave us enough information at this point to know who is town and who is scum.

JUST VOTE DDD AND IF HE FLIPS MAF THEN KILL GL. IT'S THAT EASY PEOPLE.

Had D1 not gone the way it had gone, I wouldn't have gotten such a strong scum read on GL today, so copper's lynch isn't the worst thing that happened.

DDD or GL - Either of these two will be my lynch today.

Loving the ouroborus of logic here. GL is scum because he hammered Copper instead of his scum buddy Triple D. Triple D is scum because GL-scum hammered Copper instead. But hey, you haven't made a coherent argument before, so why start now?

[goodmorning]

He was the only one that was 100% town due to the sheer amount of venom dripping from his final reads post.

I look forward to the day when you come up against a Scum who's really good at AtE.

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Still reading.

[Dragonfire]

Also GM's posts on D2 are ULTRA SCUM. I'm still TRing the slot for now, but holy god damn that was the most scum amount of posts I've ever read.

This really doesn't make sense. Can you explain why you townread GM despite finding her posts the scummiest you've ever read???

Dragonfire

- why did you say my not asking for a claim was scummy?

Because he could have been a PR. Isn't the usual behaviour here to ask for a claim before hammering? It means that we avoid lynching PRs as much as possible. Not sure why you even asked this question - wouldn't it be obvious that such behaviour would be seen as scummy?

Scum pushed copper because he's a threat. DDD is now practically confscum based off that. If not DDD, then Dragon, the other wagon. But DDD goes first. Always.

Although I do think you're town, this post does make it look as if you're lining up lynches here. If the unlikely happens and DDD does flip town, then (and I'm not just saying this because it's me you're talking about, I would advocate this if any other player was being mentioned) we should definitely think very carefully about tomorrow's lynch as it will be MyLo most likely. But since I know I'm town, I find it hard to believe that all the wagons yesterday were on town. There was a point when copper and DDD were both at L-1; if they were both town, any scum on either wagon could just switch votes with a fabricated reason and get a townie lynched. But when there's a scum on the line, his buddy would have to be very careful with his vote to avoid detection, and that's probably why there was such a long period of time when both were at L-1 without a hammer.

It's anti town to try to take agency away from town players.

You don't know for certain that GM is town, so how can you be so sure unless you're scum and know everyone's alignments?

@Accountant No, he wasn't. He was the only one that was 100% town due to the sheer amount of venom dripping from his final reads post. Stop shade throwing. It's not anti town to demand we sheep copper when I am fucking certain that DDD!scum is why his lynch happened the way it did.

I agree. The only reason that I'm not voting DDD right now is because he's at L-1 and I'd prefer to discuss and converse some more before the hammer.

Accountant, you have way too much personal beef to ever scum hunt in an unbiased fashion, if you really are a good scum hunter you would have known that DDD was the better lynch over copper, yet you still pushed for copper because of that spat you had with him for 5 pages.

I actually agree with your reasoning for once. Personally I feel that anyone who read copper's final reads post and still claimed to scumread him was either extremely confbiased or scum themselves.

VOTE: DDD

Why this, so soon after you claimed that you would sheep GM?

VOTE: Jae

Any reason for this other than OMGUS?

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

I agree. The only reason that I'm not voting DDD right now is because he's at L-1 and I'd prefer to discuss and converse some more before the hammer.

In the interest of honesty; stupid, stupid honesty. I don't believe I'm at L-1. Iron, Jae, and Accountant are voting for me as far as I can tell. There are 8 alive, that means 5 to lynch, L-2.

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Personally I feel that anyone who read copper's final reads post and still claimed to scumread him was either extremely confbiased or scum themselves.

I look forward to the day when you come up against a Scum who's really good at AtE.

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Any reason for this other than OMGUS?

Of course. He quoted copper's post. He did that for a reason.

A) Invoking dead town players for cred is just tacky (admittedly irrelevant I just wanted to point it out).
B) He's assuming that whatever power roles we have followed copper's plan and someone has something on me (but there's no reason to assume this, town doesn't listen to dead town all the time, I certainly wouldn't have listened to copper's plan for one which means he's glomming on to this unsafe assumption as cover to push a wagon he already knew would develop, that's scum behavior).
C) He's representing a power role and action that indicts me (as I know I'm town, I know this is bullshit and really only makes sense from scum).
D) Mystery door (there's a goat behind it).

[ironstove]

GM might be scum. My initial town read of GM could have been wrong, but I want to lynch either DDD or GL today 100%.

[ironstove]

There is nothing to discuss. Hammer DDD today and we go onto next, I am asking for fast night as well.

PLEASE STOP WASTING TIME. Your STALLING LED TO TOWN BEING LYNCHED, JUST HAMMER THIS HOME THERE IS NOTHING LEFT TO DISCUSS.

[JaeReed]

He was the only one that was 100% town due to the sheer amount of venom dripping from his final reads post.

I look forward to the day when you come up against a Scum who's really good at AtE.

Been up against scum that are good at AtE before. Nacho, for example.

There was no way that particular post was coming from copper as scum.

[JaeReed]

There is nothing to discuss. Hammer DDD today and we go onto next, I am asking for fast night as well.

PLEASE STOP WASTING TIME. Your STALLING LED TO TOWN BEING LYNCHED, JUST HAMMER THIS HOME THERE IS NOTHING LEFT TO DISCUSS.

This. Stalling gives DDD and his partner more time to worm their way out of the lynch for a second time. There's nothing to discuss. DDD goes. Like he should have gone D1.

[Dragonfire]

Of course. He quoted copper's post. He did that for a reason.

A) Invoking dead town players for cred is just tacky (admittedly irrelevant I just wanted to point it out).
B) He's assuming that whatever power roles we have followed copper's plan and someone has something on me (but there's no reason to assume this, town doesn't listen to dead town all the time, I certainly wouldn't have listened to copper's plan for one which means he's glomming on to this unsafe assumption as cover to push a wagon he already knew would develop, that's scum behavior).
C) He's representing a power role and action that indicts me (as I know I'm town, I know this is bullshit and really only makes sense from scum).
D) Mystery door (there's a goat behind it).

Of course you wouldn't have listened to his plan if you're town. Also, copper did share all his thoughts with us before he died so I doubt Jae is scum hoping to get towncred by invoking his name. Anyway, that would be only possible if you were scum too...

VOTE: DDD

[goodmorning]

I've never thought of Scumcho as AtE-heavy but I suppose YMMV.

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Fine; intent to hammer DDD in ~18 hours' time.

[GuiltyLion]

yes, this uncontested and rushed lynch will surely hit scum

[ironstove]

I think GM is the other scum if GL is not.

[GuiltyLion]

A. Lion, asking what changed your mind so much is a VALID QUESTION.

it's not when it's done in twilight before a flip. Accountant knew copper would flip town, otherwise he'd have no reason to pivot immediately

[ironstove]

@Jae: I don't know how on earth Dragon can possibly think copper is Town unless copper is actually Town and Dragon is Scum.

[ftr i am now entirely unwilling to vote anyone but copper today]

I've never thought of Scumcho as AtE-heavy but I suppose YMMV.

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Fine; intent to hammer DDD in ~18 hours' time.

wasn't it you that hammered?

[GuiltyLion]

Because he could have been a PR. Isn't the usual behaviour here to ask for a claim before hammering? It means that we avoid lynching PRs as much as possible. Not sure why you even asked this question - wouldn't it be obvious that such behaviour would be seen as scummy?

it was patently

obvious

that copper was not a PR. Maybe if I had yolohammered out of nowhere later in the game then it would be scummy, but I find it hard to believe you think PR!copper would have sat there unclaimed at L-1 with deadline half a day away.

Accountant scum, ironstove or Dragon for the partner. If DDD flips scum then I'll literally resign myself to playing in Newbies forever

[GuiltyLion]

if DDD flips town then I demand control of the lynch tomorrow, for the record

[GuiltyLion]

Scum pushed copper because he's a threat. DDD is now practically confscum based off that. If not DDD, then Dragon, the other wagon. But DDD goes first. Always.

I'm not following this either, DDD literally voted his counterwagon at deadline. The people pushing copper were goodmorning, jon, and Accountant.

we haven't even heard from jon yet today and we already have a lynch lined up with intent declared. You guys think that is gonna hit scum? Give me a break

[goodmorning]

Lion, the question is: you said you weren't going to vote copper. Then you voted him. What changed your mind?

If you're not going to answer it from Acct, at least answer it from me please.

[goodmorning]

also stop sounding reasonable, it's not fair

[Accountant]

If DDD flips scum I will sheep jae and iron

If DDD flips town I will sheep GM

[Dragonfire]

I think GM is the other scum if GL is not.

I think GM is more likely scum than GL

[ironstove]

if DDD flips town then I demand control of the lynch tomorrow, for the record

Hmm I'm actually more confident you're scum than DDD after this post

I need to reassess who I want to have lynched.

UNVOTE:

[ironstove]

Yea forget this I'm lynching DDD and I don't care what you say GL

[GuyInFreezer]

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