Mini Normal 1827 - No Flavor Mafia (Game Over)

[Vedith]

@Naomi
Take out scum and take out the multi posts you have 5 people calling you town and Creature crossing your name oit as scum, which coming from Creature doesn't mean a lot.

That's 5 people who could include scum in the whole game.
And yet you think you were more town read than Blackstar? Are you sure about that?
Over half those posts you showed not even called town .
You quoted light keep calling you town which just means he probably buddied you and a few posts from KTS who you are calling scum.
The reason you want everyone to skip it is because you don't want people to catch you out on it.

@everyone else - if you don't know this is fake then dear God.
I mean, read Naomi's iso and tell me that she is actually trying to game solve.

[Vedith]

Side note - when I try to phone post I'm getting what I got previously and it says that my IP is banned (Not sure how that works ).
most of my posting comes from my phone so I need to resolve this - Any ideas anyone?

[Dunnstral]

Vote Count 2.4

Skelda (2): Creature, Transcend
Seraphim (2): Blitzkrieg, BlackStar
Killthestory (2) Naomi-Tan, Io
Vedith (1): Killthestory

Not Voting (3): Seraphim, Skelda, Vedith

With 10 votes it takes 6 to lynch

Day ends in (expired on 2016-09-23 14:30:00)

Searching for a replacement for Seraphim

[Vedith]

VOTE: Naomi

[Transcend]

I must be missing something V because I iso'd Naomi and concluded that she is being genuine and game-solving and not being manipulative and distracting.

[Naomi-Tan]

So apparently I need to follow up the post chain by explaining to V why each of the quotes is saying I'm pro town.

69 Though KTS doesn't use the words town it is implied in the kts way and being called pretty decent might as well be using the term townie even if its not explicitly said
90 here they say im just G which given context means that im good/cool aka town
109 here they say I am pretty town
110 here transcend agrees with KTS and therefore agrees that im town
111 just reinforcing what he said in 109
119 here I'm placed on the townie half of the read list. Meaning they think I'm town
130 here they are saying i'm second best town read
140 here light is saying me kts and transcend all look townie from our interactions which was loosly TvTvT
181 they eliminated me from there scum pile aka they think i'm townie.
294 once again on the town half of a read list
322 Being called an obvious town member
330 within there town pile
381 says multiple times that I feel townie
415 Is acting like I should know better (aka town)
459 top of town list
555 Stating that 510 could not be done by scum ever
567 stating im top tier town
570 once again someone saying that 510 is beyond what scum could do.
572 also agreeing that 510 is beyond scum's capacity to play
586 They saying that my read list in 518 is town motivated
635 Yup still being read as town, which is to say they think i'm town
670 They say im town by default (though this one is a bit of a stretch)
673 once again top of the read list
686 saying that my play style would be impossible to fake as scum. which means I must be town in there eyes
734 When creating a block of town players to not be lynched I was included (aka they think i'm townie enough to eliminate from a lynch)
735 disagrees with some of the listings but when it comes to myself they agree so; also thinks im townie enough to be eliminated from the lynch pool
738 read list where I'm top of town
747 Read list where i'm top of town
749 Saying that lights read list is like his own bar two people swapped one of which isn't myself so; i'm top of there read list
935 saying that me and transcend are both town on one of the lines and pointing out a TvT and then also calling me town multiple times throughout
937 saying im still town
939 saying that im good with IO which i'm interrupting as town
998 town blocked
999 disagrees with some of 998's town block but i'm not one of those so double town blocked
1107 really disbelieves that anyone could think of me as scum (aka i'm so townie that anyone thinking me not townie is either dumb town, trolling or scum)
1111 Naomi is town
1113 saying they think i'm town again

Now looking at the player list it goes like this;

1. xyzzy ✔
2. Transcend ✔
3. light_ganski ✔
4. massive ✔
5. Seraphim/Jordarrian ✔
6. Killthestory ✔
7. BlackStar ✔
8. Creature ✔
9. Skelda ✔
10. Vedith

X

11. Blitzkrieg/pistachi0n ✔
12. Io

X

when 10/12 players has you down as town by the end of day 1 your extremely likely not to see day 2

[Transcend]

Ahem...

PLEASE CONDENSE YOUR FUCKING POINTS

Love,

Transcend ♥

[Transcend]

Creature let's hydra in the future. Our account name will be "OneLinerz".

[Naomi-Tan]

I just realised it doesn't matter who scum targeted. I think its myself, but if it was blackstar then the same thing would happen. At the end of D1 I think this is blackstars list btw;
1. xyzzy ✔
2. Transcend ✔
3. light_ganski ✔
4. massive ✔
5. Seraphim/Jordarrian ✔
6. Killthestory ✔
7. BlackStar ✔
8. Creature ✔
9. Skelda ✔
10. Vedith ✔
11. Blitzkrieg/pistachi0n

X

12. Io ✔

So yes they did have more people thinking they was town.. but mine was more consistent (as in mine happened multiple times throughout and there's just spiked post scum kill)

[Transcend]

Can someone get this straight for me:

Do we have both a dayvig and a vig?

[Naomi-Tan]

Sorry Transcend V just decided to be dumb and play stupid games.. take this post;

@Naomi
Take out scum and take out the multi posts you have 5 people calling you town and Creature crossing your name oit as scum, which coming from Creature doesn't mean a lot.

That's 5 people who could include scum in the whole game.
And yet you think you were more town read than Blackstar? Are you sure about that?
Over half those posts you showed not even called town .
You quoted light keep calling you town which just means he probably buddied you and a few posts from KTS who you are calling scum.
The reason you want everyone to skip it is because you don't want people to catch you out on it.

@everyone else - if you don't know this is fake then dear God.
I mean, read Naomi's iso and tell me that she is actually trying to game solve.

Where he says disreguarding the lists where everyone reads there thoughts on the player base not many have said about you being town. Its like... Why would people need to mention pro-townie behaviour if its not being questioned. If there is no reason to mention it of course its not going to be brought up very often. (only happening when people read back, or iso) and because of this he is disregarding most of the posts like.. 'Show me where people say your town. but anything that is a read list doesn't count' is just really dumb. Then he didn't even examine the posts and from what I can tell just looked for the words 'Naomi is town' Its like they asked for the content then ignored it rather than thinking on it >_< also I have no idea how he is getting KTS called me scum from any of those posts it just boggles my mind. (I have no idea what the skip it line is about)

The worst part is this is distracting me from where I want to be focused because some guy decided to act dumb. Worst part is I don't even think there scum right now (I think I may iso that as I can't recall them ever saying anyone is townie before an ISO) It just seems to genuine and that just makes it worse. like rubbing salt on the wound like. If this was !Scum motivated I could at least see a reason behind it but this is a TvT over stupid things because V is paranoid and can't accept that I am me. despite me going to unreasonable lengths to prove it. I really don't want to be talking about this but god damn.

[Naomi-Tan]

Can someone get this straight for me:

Do we have both a dayvig and a vig?

My Theory is a Day Vig (i think its one shot right now but that don't really matter) and a Jack Of All Trades with one shot-vig on it

[BlackStar]

Can someone get this straight for me:

Do we have both a dayvig and a vig?

There hasn't been anything to suggest another vig

[Transcend]

People keep softing it and making theories about it. Scum obviously know the answer, I think it's in the best interests for town to know as well.

[Transcend]

Because if the answer is no then all these theories you guys are making are pointless and wasting time that could be done doing other things.

[Naomi-Tan]

Can someone get this straight for me:

Do we have both a dayvig and a vig?

There hasn't been anything to suggest another vig

Also, I really doubt massive is a mafia NK.

Also, I really doubt massive is a mafia NK.

Im going to put this quote away for much later (not a post today but MUCH later)

You can take note of this now.

Mafia didn't kill massive.

Also, I really doubt massive is a mafia NK.

Im going to put this quote away for much later (not a post today but MUCH later)

You can take note of this now.

Mafia didn't kill massive.

And how do you know this..?

Starts with V

[Naomi-Tan]

I'm taking this as a soft claim. that they have the ability to kill. Which makes me think its JOAT as I doubt a full vig and a day vig in the same game.

[Transcend]

kinda feel the same thing, but setup spec is generally pointless.

[Naomi-Tan]

It also makes sense for creature to kill massive based on;

xyzzy
massive
Seraphim
Killthestory
Skelda
Vedith

Hopefully these don't live to LyLo (unless they're somewhat confirmed).

[Transcend]

Like I said, if C is vig then mafia already knows it. So mafia being the only ones that knows he's vig should be be vig is detrimental to town and I feel he should just disclose whether or not he's vig or not. Also if he has JOAT powers he can keep those secret.

[Transcend]

But due to setup spec I kinda feel like this is a bluff because a vig and a dayvig does not make sense at all.

[Naomi-Tan]

KTS; confirm your VT and I'll just move on and put it down as a bad play :/ I think if you are VT then it kinda makes my case mute as it was based on you having information. So I'll just get back to other research.


Everyone; Just a follow up post on V. He has said people are townie a few times this list including; Light, Creature, (though he retracted his creature town read later on)
He was also the first one to toss out that black might of killed his scum buddy. Though I'm unsure if its meant to be a joke.
Shit the more I ISO V the more scummy I think he is :s He just toss's shade everywhere! the only person who he had down as townie was light and they was scum!
Oh good he says titus is town. the only other person who thought blackstar might be scum. Reviewing my earlier blackstar list though it is now;

1. xyzzy ✔
2. Transcend ✔
3. light_ganski ✔
4. massive ✔
5. Seraphim/Jordarrian ✔
6. Killthestory ✔
7. BlackStar ✔
8. Creature ✔
9. Skelda ✔
10. Vedith

X

11. Blitzkrieg/pistachi0n

X

12. Io ✔

And then two posts later he switches to blackstar town again linking posts 1008 1010
KTS, Io, Creature was listed as town in 1246 despite them not being town earlier Creature; 812 493 498 KTS; 568 (treated as active lurking) They are fairly separated out posts though.. but it just doesn't match up with the iso I read that they would be town listed. Its hard to get a good read due to this spacing though but the longer I read the more it looks like V is tossing shade at the wall and seeing what sticks!

Wow.. that was an experience. Everyone can you take the time to ISO read V and tell me if I'm just seeing things here?

PEDIT; Yeah Vig and day Vig doesn't make sense but I could see a one/two shot day vig combined with a JOAT with one-shot vig + other one shot roles

[Naomi-Tan]

EBWODP: KTS, Io, Creature was listed as town in 1246 despite them not being town earlier Creature; 812 493 498 KTS; 568 (treated as active lurking) They are fairly separated out posts though.. but it just doesn't match up with the iso I read that they

wouldn't

be town listed.

[BlackStar]

But due to setup spec I kinda feel like this is a bluff because a vig and a dayvig does not make sense at all.

That's why I said there's nothing to support that theory. It seems really weird to have a day vig and a vig

[Naomi-Tan]

But due to setup spec I kinda feel like this is a bluff because a vig and a dayvig does not make sense at all.

That's why I said there's nothing to support that theory. It seems really weird to have a day vig and a vig

Yeah but there is no Scum! motivation for that kill. it makes much more sense that either me or blackstar was targeted. I wouldn't believe day vig and vig but day vig and JOAT I can believe and shooting massive makes sense from a town!creature pov