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[Nero Cain]

That reverse psychology to try to get me to vote Giga is really funny.

[gerryoat]

More votes on Giga would be gr8

[chilledtea]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT 2.06

Blitzkrieg (L-1) : kraska77, JarJarDrinks, gigabyteTroubadour, Nero Cain, Elyse.

gigabyteTroubadour (L-3) : Blitzkrieg, gerryoat, MichelSableheart.

JarJarDrinks (L-5) : Shadow_step.

karnos (L-5) : Thor665.

Nero Cain (L-5) : karnos.

Not Voting (0) : No one.

Day will end in (expired on 2016-09-23 00:00:00)

[Thor665]

I can try, what do you think about what I did about JJ?

Your case on him is predicated on the concept that someone wouldn't immediately unvote a claim and then later doubt a claim.
I did that exact thing with you - so I don't find it shocking that another town would.
Ignoring that part of his play, I see no other evidence of scum intent, and I see a pretty decent argument for town intent - so it's 100% on how you interpret his reaction to you. I would say an immediate unvote and then analysis of the viability of a claim is perfectly within town normal reactions.

I still don't see a list.
You should move your vote.

When I look at Blitzkrieg, I see a player who focussed almost exclusively on Maria and Trans/Giga. That's not surprising, given how scummy that fakeclaim is, but it makes it difficult to know her thoughts on other players. That being said, I don't think she did anything super scummy. Yet JarJar, Giga, Nero all joined that wagon while giving virtually no reasoning, and shadow's willingness to hammer also comes after he didn't discuss blitz at all. This is a poor wagon.

I'm particularly disliking Nero's play here. Both with the Elyse wagon day 1, and the shadow and blitz wagons today, he seemed more interested in getting them to claim then in actually getting a lynch. It's in large part due to him that there are two powerroles out in the open now. That's not scumhunting, that's powerrole hunting, and more likely to come from scum then from town. Add the way he was smearing me day 1, and I would be happy to see him lynched.

I still prefer a Giga lynch though. Given how many players in this game were willing to give him a free pass for fakeclaiming, the mason claim is a relatively low risk way for him to potentially coast through the first couple of days, and build some towncred with maria in the process.

<Translated by Thor>
Blitz focusing so heavily on the Mason claims is scummy (please ignore that Micheal did the exact same thing)
But Blitz isn't scummy (then why explain how she's scummy?)

I really dislike Nero's play and will discuss how it is scummy for a paragraph.

That said, I want to lynch Giga off the mason logic still.
</translation>

Don't believe you

vote:Blitzkrieg

Since you didn't really believe either claim - why push more on Blitz than going back to Shadow?

You do know that I was the one that lead a wagon on him right?

I do know that - I would say you were a strong push on both wagons.
That said, I know which claim is less overall sexy as a town power and which is a more useful scum power presuming the claim is half honest.
I also know which of them looks more individually iffy with their play.
So I'm wondering why you choose to disbelieve Blitz's claim, but apparently find Shadow's claim perfectly fine?

[kraska77]

I'm particularly disliking Nero's play here. Both with the Elyse wagon day 1, and the shadow and blitz wagons today, he seemed more interested in getting them to claim then in actually getting a lynch. It's in large part due to him that there are two powerroles out in the open now. That's not scumhunting, that's powerrole hunting, and more likely to come from scum then from town. Add the way he was smearing me day 1, and I would be happy to see him lynched.

What a coincidence...you start calling Nero scum just as the "Nero is scum" sentiment starts flying about the place

[kraska77]

More votes on Giga would be gr8

Why is giga scum, again?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Thor, why do you like Blitz's claim better than Shadow's? Or am I misreading your posts

[kraska77]

When I look at Blitzkrieg, I see a player who focussed almost exclusively on Maria and Trans/Giga. That's not surprising, given how scummy that fakeclaim is, but it makes it difficult to know her thoughts on other players. That being said, I don't think she did anything super scummy. Yet JarJar, Giga, Nero all joined that wagon while giving virtually no reasoning, and shadow's willingness to hammer also comes after he didn't discuss blitz at all. This is a poor wagon.

I'm particularly disliking Nero's play here. Both with the Elyse wagon day 1, and the shadow and blitz wagons today, he seemed more interested in getting them to claim then in actually getting a lynch. It's in large part due to him that there are two powerroles out in the open now. That's not scumhunting, that's powerrole hunting, and more likely to come from scum then from town. Add the way he was smearing me day 1, and I would be happy to see him lynched.

I still prefer a Giga lynch though. Given how many players in this game were willing to give him a free pass for fakeclaiming, the mason claim is a relatively low risk way for him to potentially coast through the first couple of days, and build some towncred with maria in the process.

Vote: Giga

Shadows claim is conveniently safe for scum. It gives us little information, particularly when he's using it to confirm claims.

Karnos hammer yesterday was terrible, and it still looks like he's getting away with not adding much.

Unless I hear some very good arguments for someone else, I want to lynch one of these four.

This entire post amounts to nothing more than "geez everyone is scummy I don't really know" I'm almost certain this is scum

[kraska77]

He just listed all the lynches on the table today as lynches he would partake in

[Nero Cain]

So I'm wondering why you choose to disbelieve Blitz's claim, but apparently find Shadow's claim perfectly fine?

I don't?

[Nero Cain]

Nero, from that, I have to wonder if you are ...getting something...?

other than I think his claim is fake fake fake...nope

like are you even reading the game?

[Nero Cain]

I'm particularly disliking Nero's play here. Both with the Elyse wagon day 1, and the shadow and blitz wagons today, he seemed more interested in getting them to claim then in actually getting a lynch. It's in large part due to him that there are two powerroles out in the open now. That's not scumhunting, that's powerrole hunting, and more likely to come from scum then from town. Add the way he was smearing me day 1, and I would be happy to see him lynched.

What a coincidence...you start calling Nero scum just as the "Nero is scum" sentiment starts flying about the place

TBF, I just think the guy is derpy. Him being scum would help explain why he found Blitz' naked vote scummier than the other naked votes; distancing. But I mean there's so much reasonable doubt in Shadow, Gerry, Karnos.

[Blitzkrieg]

More votes on Giga would be gr8

This.

I mean, scum aren't even trying anymore. They're just voting the annoying PR at this point doing everything to save Giga.

[kraska77]

Karnos wanna declare hammer intent on blitz?

[kraska77]

Wait lol did u just call urself annoying pr haha :p

[Shadow_step]

Nero, what do you think about JJD ?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Karnos wanna declare hammer intent on blitz?

I'd rather have Thor hammer. If he needs a case, then I'll explain mine, but I think it would be better to explain to people off the wagon why this is the lynch for today tomorrow.

Shadow, JJD is not only very likely town, if people agreed with your case against him they'd speak up about it at this point.

[kraska77]

but I think it would be better to explain to people off the wagon why this is the lynch for today tomorrow.

For starters, everyone voting blitz right now is town
Wagon is stalling because scum are trying to derail

[gigabyteTroubadour]

For starters, everyone voting blitz right now is town
Wagon is stalling because scum are trying to derail

^ that was the best way to word it, the way i was going to say it risked this town's unity

[Shadow_step]

Karnos wanna declare hammer intent on blitz?

I'd rather have Thor hammer. If he needs a case, then I'll explain mine, but I think it would be better to explain to people off the wagon why this is the lynch for today tomorrow.

Shadow, JJD is not only very likely town, if people agreed with your case against him they'd speak up about it at this point.

Yeah the same way my case against scum Maria was ignored in 649 :/

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Karnos wanna declare hammer intent on blitz?

I'd rather have Thor hammer. If he needs a case, then I'll explain mine, but I think it would be better to explain to people off the wagon why this is the lynch for today tomorrow.

Shadow, JJD is not only very likely town, if people agreed with your case against him they'd speak up about it at this point.

Yeah the same way my case against scum Maria was ignored in 649 :/

JJD isn't as overtly scummy as Maria was in that game, Maria was only townread because everyone thought she was a newbie

but tbh keep pushing him, it makes me feel good about town!you

[Shadow_step]

Tbh at this point blitz just seems like low hanging fruit.
I've played quite a lot of mafia games and lynching scum never has been this easy.

[Shadow_step]

Without cop guilties and stuff like that obviously.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

quick questions:

• 1. Why does a team with JJD kill IAI?
  2. Who makes sense as a team with JJD?

because atm the IaI kill really looks like a kill someone who isn't voting Blitz right now would do.

[Shadow_step]

quick questions:

• 1. Why does a team with JJD kill IAI?
  2. Who makes sense as a team with JJD?

because atm the IaI kill really looks like a kill someone who isn't voting Blitz right now would do.

IAI kill could have been done to frame me, he was pushing for my Lynch latter stages of day 1. Or scum thought he was a PR. Two birds one stone.

Gerry could be buddies with JJ. I don't understand his townread on Gerry. I don't think anyone else is townreading gerry (?)