Open 646 - Semi Nightless - Game Over (D6)

[gigabyteTroubadour]

gigabyteTroubadour

well sry mhsmith but ima stick with my guns from the beginning

VOTE: mhsmith0

This is an insult and a misrep

[mhsmith0]

idk why, but it reminds me of your fake scum claim trolling bit in mini 1796
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p8043738

very nice

[gigabyteTroubadour]

also mafiauniverse is very annoying to read through on my phone

i'll have to save that for later

[mhsmith0]

you typoed my name and i thought giga flash voted me

oh lol. I was just fixing it in case our mod was going to be a stickler for that kind of crap

[mhsmith0]

also mafiauniverse is very annoying to read through on my phone

i'll have to save that for later

Sure. Or you could just vote trans now, that'd be cool too

[Transcend]

Unfortunately for you I troll as both alignments because I'm just a goofball

Game over. Me Pers and Penguin were scum.

Enjoy your free death, MURDERCAT.

[mhsmith0]

Unfortunately for you I troll as both alignments because I'm just a goofball

Game over. Me Pers and Penguin were scum.

Enjoy your free death, MURDERCAT.

I kinda figured that tbh, though obviously I didn't know for sure

[Transcend]

Well that's a lie, I just trolled you hardcore and you know my alignment

Mostly made that post for Giga in case one of your bullshit meta posts captivated his eye.

[mhsmith0]

Well that's a lie, I just trolled you hardcore and you know my alignment

Mostly made that post for Giga in case one of your bullshit meta posts captivated his eye.

Yeah that troll was solid, I definitely approve.

[mhsmith0]

Why did all my confidence for this game fly out the window? It's one thing when you have mislynches but now that we have no more I'm absolutely frozen. I've had fairly good reads sans karnos being scum. I still think that it's mhsmith but Giga had questionable actions as well. AFJFJSLSJSJSSS

@giga: remember, you were "obviously fucking town"
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 4#p8343414
If you want to know what changed, it's that I stated a suspicion of you in 2705. If you were "obvious fucking town" and that was a real read, then this post doesn't make any real sense. Trans is trying to have his cake and eat it too. He can't legitimately say you were any kind of lock town while also being open to the possibility of your lynch in LYLO. His "suspicion" of you in LYLO was for show.

[Transcend]

As I said

I respect the hell out of you to not instantly vote you

You were waffling between me and Giga so okay I took everything Giga done that was scummy into consideration and a bits of what you said but I didn't chew too much for too long. Your constant waffling which Giga has also done but his waffling felt more genuine led to me ultimately voting you and discarding any form of scumread on Giga and willingly handing him the game if he's scum like I said I would.

[mhsmith0]

Biggest mistakes this game

- Townreading karnos
- Focusing mmore on Luna Fox and Rosske when mhsmith's vote hop was terrible
- Stillfocusing on Luna/Rosske after KTS flip shenaningans from mhsmith
- Not sheeping wingbaack over myself on d4

I really can't think of anything else, I tried my ABSOLUTE FUCKIGN DAMNDEST 3 FUCKING HOURS to get mhsmith lynched and tenshii saved and i fucking failed and i'm fucking furious because tenshii giga and thor were obvious fucking town.

Staying on this... does transcend SOUND "fucking furious" here? Because if you take this post and look at the ones both before and after, this isn't transcend raging. He's pretending to an emotion he doesn't actually feel. And fake emotions are pure scum tells. Villagers feel emotions and you can tell through their postings. Wolves state emotions or imitate them awkwardly.

[mhsmith0]

As I said

I respect the hell out of you to not instantly vote you

You were waffling between me and Giga so okay I took everything Giga done that was scummy into consideration and a bits of what you said but I didn't chew too much for too long. Your constant waffling which Giga has also done but his waffling felt more genuine led to me ultimately voting you and discarding any form of scumread on Giga and willingly handing him the game if he's scum like I said I would.

but I thought he was "obvious fucking town" right? So there was basically no actual doubt in your mind? I mean, that's what you SAID you read it as. It's just that your postings don't support what you say your actual read was. It's where you tripped yourself up.

[Transcend]

How dare you say that my anger was faked.

Put yourself in my shoes.

Say Thor was getting wagoned for w/e reason you TR'd him since d1 you did everything you could to get the lynch off of Thor for quite a long time. Let's say for keks and giggles Tenshii was the scum you were trying to lynch but stupid me and stupid Giga were like "naa tenshii obv town dodgeball kek vote thor". And then Thor flips after you were right after all that time. Would you not be at least a little bit flustered? I understand we're two different people but I was fucking fumed when Giga hammered Tenshii there after he was our solid townread that he doubted himself on.

[Transcend]

Maybe obvious fucking town wasn't the right term since I know all three of their alignments now and they are all confirmed town. But still, they were heavy heavy townreads compared to you and Rosske.

[mhsmith0]

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You're using my day 1 scumread against me that I changed after the flip

Good 1

Except you didn't actually change it due to the flip. Day one you changed your primary target to Luna (i.e. changed BEFORE the flip), then day two you were STILL after her.

See
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p8164327
before flip

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p8174074
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p8185864
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p8185908
after flip

that's not any kind of hard town read of thor, that's a "well I have higher priorities" bit. Like, I look at your thor read and I don't see it materially changing in the immediate aftermath of the flip in any way that points back to the flip as being a driver. He was a suspect but not your #1 right before the flip, and he was in similar range after the flip.

[Transcend]

Thor's vote on karnos was fucking weird okay? He just sheeped Giga and in the most neutral way. The vote looked tactical as opposed to genuine. Hence why I threw a vote his way.

As time went on and the karnos wagon grew larger I still really hated it until Luna Fox voted it and then I just deathtunneled her into oblivion. Then in twilight I announced that you voting right after Luna voted when you sussed her looked pretty tactical. Hence why Thor went on the back burner.

[mhsmith0]

How dare you say that my anger was faked.

Put yourself in my shoes.

Say Thor was getting wagoned for w/e reason you TR'd him since d1 you did everything you could to get the lynch off of Thor for quite a long time. Let's say for keks and giggles Tenshii was the scum you were trying to lynch but stupid me and stupid Giga were like "naa tenshii obv town dodgeball kek vote thor". And then Thor flips after you were right after all that time. Would you not be at least a little bit flustered? I understand we're two different people but I was fucking fumed when Giga hammered Tenshii there after he was our solid townread that he doubted himself on.

Of course it's faked, your posts do not reflect anger

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 4#p8343414
there you say "I'm fucking furious". Except you're NOT "fucking furious" at that point, and your posts around there don't reflect anger. Nor do your posts at the start of the day - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... start=2700 and immediate aftermath do not show anger at all.

So you weren't furious when you made the post saying you were furious, and you weren't furious when the day started. So yeah, that's fake anger.

Like, yes, if you were town I could believe you were legitimately upset about how it went down. That's not my point. My point is that YOU WERE NOT showing that emotional state in thread, either early in the day or when you talked about being furious, nor were you showing fury at http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p8329275, your post right after giga hammered.

In other words, you weren't actually furious. Which makes that it's a fake emotion that you were claiming without actually having. Which makes sense since you're a wolf and the tenshii lynch, while not what you wanted to see, did not prevent you from achieving your win con (plus it got thor out of the way too).

[mhsmith0]

Thor's vote on karnos was fucking weird okay? He just sheeped Giga and in the most neutral way. The vote looked tactical as opposed to genuine. Hence why I threw a vote his way.

As time went on and the karnos wagon grew larger I still really hated it until Luna Fox voted it and then I just deathtunneled her into oblivion. Then in twilight I announced that you voting right after Luna voted when you sussed her looked pretty tactical. Hence why Thor went on the back burner.

yeah but you didn't say he was back burnered, you said he was "obvious fucking town". But you didn't treat him like "obvious fucking town". Nor did you give giga that treatment early today. That's the in-thread evidence that your reads are fake. Like, it is literally right there for giga to see.

[Transcend]

k well i wasted 3 hours of my life i could've done something different but i used them in a valiant attempt to win the game and it got laughed off and ignored even though it was fucking solid. game winning case gets ignored and top townread gets lynched. i get mad easily, i show my anger and i'm not afraid to hide it.

[Transcend]

did i ever lynch thor after d1?

my vote was never on him. I never thought about voting him once. I did say if it was him vs. Tenshii I'd vote him due to Tenshii being really obvious town, but I wouldn't have been happy with that cross at all.

You act like I'm not allowed to have a massive amount of strong townreads like I did this game {KTS, PC, Thor, Giga, Io, Tenshii, Lunaslotpostsub}

Obviously some townreads will be weaker than others

In this case, come final 5 Thor was my weakest townread. Still fairly strong though considering I didn't want to lynch him and I tried reasoning with him when he discredited my reads to no avail.

[mhsmith0]

Cool. So why didn't you show your anger when tenshii got lynched? Because NONE OF THESE are angry posts

Welp. Here's hoping both my top town reads were scum. I doubt it tho.

T, gonna participate in twilight?

Oh I meant Tenshii when I said T lmfao.

I get that -- I'm just a very impatient person and our mod takes forever to update the thread so I wanna hear what Tenshii says he is post hammer.

Hmm...

PEDIT: I'm sleeping soon then going to work so I was sorta banking on knowing relatively soon than having to wait til I get home to figure it out =p

You are lying about your reads, and you are lying about your emotions. Game-relevant lies that are basically outing. That's on top of night kills that make much more sense for you than for me, and a day 1 that showed a bizarre lack of interest/curiosity in the biggest wagon of the day, and a long series of attempts to drive momentum and attention elsewhere. I respect your game, and I respect the effort you've made to not give up, but you're outed and it's kinda obvious.

[Transcend]

"Obvious fucking town" was incorrect word choice on my behalf and it might've come with slight bias knowing that all 3 of the slots are town now.

[mhsmith0]

did i ever lynch thor after d1?

my vote was never on him. I never thought about voting him once. I did say if it was him vs. Tenshii I'd vote him due to Tenshii being really obvious town, but I wouldn't have been happy with that cross at all.

You act like I'm not allowed to have a massive amount of strong townreads like I did this game {KTS, PC, Thor, Giga, Io, Tenshii, Lunaslotpostsub}

Obviously some townreads will be weaker than others

In this case, come final 5 Thor was my weakest townread. Still fairly strong though considering I didn't want to lynch him and I tried reasoning with him when he discredited my reads to no avail.

That's a misrep on your end, not mine. You're allowed to have strong town reads. Where you tripped up was in over-representing the strength of your reads in a way that very clearly jarred with your actual in-thread treatment of the slots.

[Transcend]

2689 was one of the most sarcastic posts I've made this game.

Like I said I doubted it was gonna end the game, but I always have a small glimmer of hope yannoe so my tone was a bit positive even though I felt there was slim to no chance of it flipping scum.