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[BROseidon]

Or perhaps I should say aesthetics.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Well just to piss VCA whiners off I ran Day 1 to Day 3 through my personal VCA analytics and it says I should be lynching either Cephrir, Gamma or SnowStorm before hiplop, albeit by a slim margin.

And to probably never entertain lynching Grib, Zulfy or MJ.

I should probably review some ISOs on those first four names ...

[Transcend]

Hey guys

Unless gamma is scum

I'm town

Lol

I think gamma is scum though

But i bet you blow the ml on hiplop lol

[MagnaofIllusion]

Hey guys

Unless gamma is scum

I'm town

I think gamma is scum though

We understand these facts.

What's the takeaway we should have on your Gamma suspicion? If I dig through your ISO will I find you thinking kdowns was scum? Or are you thinking this for you is a personal win-win (either Gamma is lynched as scum or you get confirmed Town on a mislynch)?

[Transcend]

VCA and I don't really buy the hider claim.

I thought kdowns was scum at first but then changed my mind.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Dead Scum Review –

Up first – Imperium

Interactions

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Hiplop: Responds to hiplop’s Snarky post at 922 which I don’t see as telling either way for hiplop. Now 1210 on the other hand I think makes more sense from partners. If hiplop’s Town I don’t see much reason for Imperium to make that post. On the other hand it certainly sets the stage if hiplop ever flips before Imperium and is scum that Imperium could point to it and say “This post put him on my radar” or some such posting. 1246 and 1253 are pure fluff that makes me read them as partners. 1271 could be a chainsaw for hiplop.


Cephrir: First even mention is 1408 where Imperium lumps Ceph in with Bro and Fox as players Camnt would buddy to. I don’t think both Bro and Ceph are scum from that post.


Gamma: 1216 could be some coaching (trying to get key to be seen as actually thinking through his suspicions) but reads to me as probing the slot. Will need to see if further exchanges take place. Similarly with 1404. 1634 is another very tepid interaction.


SnowStorm: 1270 could be a chainsaw for kdowns. 1273 is a post that has me more leaning to hiplop as a partner than kdowns. I can’t see Imperium going out of his way to like that more or less fluff post from kdowns if they are partners.

Take-away

–

Nacho is a good player so I am putting a grain of salt next to every read made here but having gone through Imperium’s ISO I didn’t get a much clearer picture on these 4. I will say that based on what I saw with his general interactions I have strong doubts that Bro, Grib or Zulfy could be partners. Which unfortunately aside from Bro is already where I was at.

His side of the interactions with hiplop don’t say not Partners in the slightest. There is little interactions and the ones that did happen were very superficial. Consequently hiplop’s “We were trying to solve the game together” explanation for why he is cleared is pure garbage. Nothing in this ISO changes my mind about hiplop being a viable wagon.

There literally are no interactions with Cephrir. But there were absolutely minimal interactions with kraska. No closer based reading Cephrir from this ISO.

Similarly with Gamma – the few kraska interactions I saw from Imperium could be interpreted as “mild disapproval with no need to followup” which fits his keyen interactions also. I could see some coaching in his softballs to keyen that Imperium never felt the need to press.

SnowStorm is maybe the one read that I’d say slightly leans Town and that is solely based on 1273. Of course not a lot there but I don’t see the need for Imperium to drawn even a weak link between the slots by “liking” kdown’s suspicion on Town Diamond.

[Transcend]

Farside felt obvious town to me. Zulfy's been weird though. But eh. I don't think I'd lynch him today.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Dead Scum Review –

Aristoph slot

Reads Lists –

Ok I just skimmed the first 10 or so pages and the last 10 and isoed a couple of ppl
Ppl I have as town so far: camn slot, keyendgshshsjjs, diamondbshshsjjd, kdowns, cheetory

So we know Camn and Diamond are Town. The Cheetory read feels like mild appeasement to Transcend’s weak suspicion that kraska quoted in that very post. And I explain my Keyen read below. The kdowns Town read based on the first 10 and last 10 pages at this stage doesn’t make much sense. Kdowns feels like the scum being snuck onto kraska’s reads list.

Interactions –

Hiplop: 2242 I don’t see a post to Spiffeh Town that kraska makes as a hiplop partner. He’s softly undercutting Spiffeh’s Town read on hiplop in response to Spiffeh calling his kdowns read bad. On a gut level I don’t think 2527 looks like partner interactions. Same with 2543. 2708 also doesn’t look like partner / partner. 3937 is the first post that makes me question their interactions. But I could see it as Arist having such a strong Townread on Hiplop with no reasoning as laying a false trail.

Cephrir: Gut on 2069 is trying to justify his Town reads to another Town so leaning more Town Cephrir from this interaction.

Gamma: Kraska’s first real post with a read was 1707. The reasoning behind his Town read on Keyen doesn’t make a ton of sense given keyen’s erratic play so I’m leaning towards this as “Clear a bad Town slot for Cred”. 2228 is fluff. But 2260 actually reads as coaching to me. 3859 is a defense of Gamma but on a gut level feels like WKing Town. Read of light Town at 3937 feels meh.

SnowStorm: Already covered the reads list for kdowns. 2237 is basically a “Too Stupid for Scum” argument which I dislike but could go either way. I feel that 2476 could be a defense of kdowns. 2659 actually reads like partners to me. There’s a backing away from his kdowns Town read but lists 5 others players he would rather lynch (Bro, Snarky, Firebringer, Grib and hiplop). 2927 by Arist also looks like scum staging a bus if necessary but not willing to commit to it. 3047 makes me want to change my vote this instant to SnowStorm.

Take-away –

Based on the posting for this slot I’d lynch SnowStorm absolutely first and Gamma second. There are minimal Cephrir interactions but I had gut “not partners” on that and his hiplop interactions read fairly strongly not partners.

[Cephrir]

cool

wanna lynch snowstorm now?

[Transcend]

but then again there's been a guy who has called every lynch made so far being a mislynch (me)

why not do it my way and lynch gamma

[Cephrir]

Gamma, did you crumb your hider target? If not, why not?

[Cephrir]

Because tbh, that is literally hider 101.

[Cephrir]

that's the whole class. the only thing they tell you is always crumb your target.

there aren't any other hider classes. it's just that one. that is the only thing you need to know about optimal hider play. just having CRUMB YOUR TARGET yelled in your ear three hours a week for ten weeks.

[Cephrir]

the homework is writing "i will always crumb my hider targets" 100 times

gamma did you skip class

[MagnaofIllusion]

So let’s look at kdowns / Snowstorm –

The first post in kdowns ISO that strikes me is 255. He basically says “Someone asked me about DS and Grib and I answered them. Can’t suspect me for doing what was asked of me. Why the votes”. Followed up with “Why am I under suspicion for posting others haven’t posted” at 258. What strikes me about this is it starts his long streak of basic prod-dodging from this point. I can certainly see scum following this pattern. For reference his next post with any substance at all is 788 over 11 pages later.

788 provides us with a scum read on DS (Town) and Town reads on farside, Ceph and Grib.

792 shows a discontinuity in reads. He’s on a DS is scum kick but stops to say the following to Snarkysnowman in regards to a DS Town read from Snarky –

Also Snarky I'll remember that in the future, for buddying

That post makes no sense in context of 792 where he is directly calling DS the scummiest scum who ever scummed. If DS is scum as he says then sure Snarky might be defending him but that clearly would not be buddying given scum buddy to Town.

Not sure what to make of 1511 and the line “if there is a Vig shoot either me or DS”. Unless he’s either Bulletproof or the Serial Killer in which case he has reason not to think a Vig exists. His response to Grib at 1516 doesn’t clear it up as it didn’t read as sarcasm in the least.

Actually 1593 reads to me as scum who is disappointed that one of the main sources of discord in the thread has been force-replaced. Knowing that camn’s slot was Town scum would love for katsuki’s personal brand of hatred to continue to poison the thread.

The Waco vote at 1780 is scummy as fuck given he hasn’t called Waco scum all thread.

2048 on re-read is an eye opener for all the players who said DS was scummy for his reaction to Firebringer’s “guilty” on Spiffeh. Absolutely reads as scum who know Spiffeh is not a partner (the possibility of a Serial Killer complicates this). Same with 2065 where he is telling Bro to “slow it down”.

His interaction with kraska at 2515 as kraska-partner reminding him that “I’m defending DS so don’t forget to suspect me also”.

Snowstorm’s reads list upon replacing in is as follows –

Finally, all caught up.

Town:
Grib
DS
MoI
Zulfy
(Ceph)

The rest is in limbo.

Need to see how this follows his interactions from this point.

His response to Ceph at 3330 looks at odds with Ceph being on his Town list, even if at the bottom in brackets.

Also given his interactions with me yesterday I think 3361 is telling. Did those interactions which were ostensibly the basis to not vote me when there was a wagon just disappear to be replaced by the Snarky garbage he was floating? 3386 further cements that position.

Also this post really, really makes what was already a bad attack on me yesterday very very suspect –

You can argue it was a scum derail, but it is as likely, if not more likely, that it was a town derail, because there's no way any town player would allow Snarky to reach LyLo. Scum did not have to lift a finger to lynch him.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Gamma, did you crumb your hider target? If not, why not?

For the record I want this answered as well.

[MagnaofIllusion]

VOTE: SnowStorm

Sorry Transcend but you calling lynches Town lynches but supporting every one of them doesn't make me want to sheep you today.

What do you think of SnowStorm?

[Gammagooey]

No, I didn't crumb the hide. I didn't remember until after I had fullclaimed that the flips didn't include any flavor so I couldn't do anything that isn't public knowledge already as part of the crumb and have it be revealed when I flip, I'm pretty confident that anything obvious enough to get noticed as a crumb after the fact would have likely been noticed by the mafia and/or SK (though I actually wouldn't be at all surprised if it was actually just a vig at this point but that doesn't really matter atm) too, and I thought that there'd be multiple people pushing for my lynch if I didn't use the hide tonight so I targeted someone I thought was VERY likely town though not universally seen as such, and not likely to get hit by a nightkill. At least this way if I get lynched there's a clear from it, and it would have sucked balls if Transcend was a SK but it was absolutely worth that minor risk when compared to roleblocking last night instead and just getting lynched today anyway. (or theoretically getting killed if I was the maf target but I don't think that's actually a thing that happened.)

My role PM specifically states that I die if I target someone not aligned with the good characters (so Transcend is cleared of being the SK too) or if who I target is targeted for a kill btw.

@Snowstorm - it's just gut, I can go through and try to explain it better than that later tonight though.

[Firebringer]

I am so hungry guys.
WHat should I make today?

I was thinking of making a mexican pizza.
What you guys think?

[MagnaofIllusion]

Since it occured to me that the Mod hasn't posted a VC yet today I went and made my own

SnowStorm – Firebringer, Cephrir, Gammagooey, Bro, MoI
Hiplop –Zulfy, MJ
Gammagooey – Transcend

SnowStorm is at L-1

SnowStorm probably should claim I'm thinking ...

[MagnaofIllusion]

@Gamma

– why are you assuming that Grib is a blocking role?

[Eleven]

Vote Count 4.01

[5] SnowStorm ~ Firebringer, Cephrir, Gammagooey, BROseidon, MagnaofIllusion
[2] hiplop ~ Zulfy, Medical Junkies
[1] Gammagooey ~ Transcend

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch!

Deadline is at (expired on 2016-10-02 14:00:00).

[Firebringer]

Hey Eleven. Should i make a mexican pizza?

[Grib]

@Mod

Transcend is voting for Gamma.

Fixed -mod

[Transcend]

why is kdowns slot L-1 holy shit fucking hell tempted to just bored hammer it again to shut you all up lol