Mini Normal 1829 - Game Over

[Nero Cain]

its helping him by not lynching his buddy? Like do you think he'd get any town cred for hammering Titus? no, the best think he can do is hold out on a no lynch or hope that Thor votes Giga so he can hammer.

[kraska77]

It's helping but not lynching his buddy who is toast anyway?
Ok.

[kraska77]

By* not

[Nero Cain]

if Titus was toast why is she not dead yet?

Michel isn't going to budge, Gerry isn't, Titus is sure as hell not. Thor could vote her, Giga might self vote. There's not much reason for him vote her yet.

[Nero Cain]

if Titus was toast why is she not dead yet?

Michel isn't going to budge, Gerry isn't, Titus is sure as hell not. Thor could vote her, Giga might self vote. There's not much reason for him vote her yet.

[Shadow_step]

I still don't think shadow is scum fwiw
Shadow I'd be impressed of you somehow manage to swing a wagon on someone else at this point but I don't think you'll be able to do that. So. What are you waiting for? Hammer Titus ffs

Like I've already said, if we lynch blitz today and if he is actually town doc I end up dead tonight. I don't see why we are doing Scum's work for them. As long as blitz is alive I'm not going to be the priority kill.

How about we lynch Karnos who is actually scum?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

ok but what about me

[Shadow_step]

Not unless absolutely necessary.

[Nero Cain]

I rather lynch Gerry or policy lynch Michel than Karnos but Titus is still scum.

[Nero Cain]

Dhadow, barring Titus' claim. Explain why shes town?

[Shadow_step]

Dhadow, barring Titus' claim. Explain why shes town?

Cause nobody has actually explained as to why she *is* scum.
Low content, lurking they are not cases I'd follow on anyone.
Her day 1 interactions with Transcend came of to me as town, esp where transcend went on an abusing spree.

[gerryoat]

I'm thinking of a Giga/Elyse team rn

[Nero Cain]

she's playing to her reactionary scum meta.
she's making up stuff like town has a vig and this is role madness and can't show any examples of a mini normal role madness game. This is a specificly designed idea to try to explain why there are more PRs than usual.

Claiming she'd vig IaI when she wasn't scum read him.

Like I'm not going to convince scum they are scum or thier buddy that they are scum so I'm just going to pray that Thor is the hero town doesn't deserve or Karnos actually goes through with his intent to hammer if enough ppl agree.

[MichelSableheart]

By voting an unviable wagon, he's making the alternative to a blitz lynch less likely, and therefore a blitz lynch more likely.

no? Like Titus is sitting at L-1 and Giga is sitting at L-2. If Thor gets on and votes Giga you bet your ass he's going to vote Giga. Even if holds out for a no lynch (a ton of scum motivation in that) I fail to see how that makes Titus town.

That requires completely depending on Thor, though. By not voting giga, he doesn't invite players currently voting blitz to compromise on a giga lynch, and he encourages players on the giga wagon to compromise on a blitz lynch. See Karnos, for example.

[JarJarDrinks]

I'm thinking of a Giga/Elyse team rn

This is what I believe if my current reads are wrong. But I don't think they are.

[JarJarDrinks]

Michel, don't you see the way that Shadow is tiptoeing around voting either Giga or Titus?

Like seriously. Look @ how long it took him to even admit that he'd vote giga over titus. He was asked like 5 times and he kept dodging.

And just the fact that he chose giga over titus even though he not only posted intent to hammer titus, but he also told us that maria town = giga town.

[JarJarDrinks]

but Titus scum=Shadow scum REMEMBER THAT!

Oh I'm sure you'll find a reason to find me scummy no matter what Titus flips.

Yeah thanks for reminding me. I wanted to respond to Nero there:

Shadow = scum regardless of Titus' flip

[JarJarDrinks]

Like I'm pretty sure that's its a Titus/Gerry/Shadow team and if so I think town deserves a best town performance but I don't really want to share with the 4th scum member Michel.

I think it's karnos instead of Gerry. Shadows push on Gerry doesn't feel very bus-y to me.

Also I think ur being to hard on Michel.

[JarJarDrinks]

This was also a little odd since she made a post earlier about how Thor had done nothing towny

Wait since when do you read thor as scum

So I was kinda concerned if she was scum and scumread one of her buddies (Titus/Blitz) and town read one (Shadow)

but a Titus/Shadow/Gerry team just makes so much sense no matter how shitty her Michel and Thors play as been. Though I will admit that Gerry is the weakest of my 3 main scumreads but he still needs rope.

Nah that question from kraska makes complete sense if he read my post as me saying I scumread thor.

I've been townreading thor all game so he'd be correct in calling me out there.

[JarJarDrinks]

What I do know is that scum are not bussing Giga due to how the wagons have danced around him.

the same can be said for you.

Like Gerry is literally avoiding posting and Shadow is trying to avoid having to vote you or Giga since if he votes Giga and she flips town it sinks you and he doesn't really want to bus you.

Why exactly the fuck wouldn't I be bussing Titus ?

Cause I already explained why U wont get any townpoints for it:

What do you mean "coerced"? If you think Kraska suggesting Shadow to do that is scummy, why are you supporting the wagon...?

Maybe coerced isn't the right word.

I don't @ all think that Kraska telling shadow to vote blitz is scummy. My point is that Shadow doesn't want to vote for blitz (his scumbuddy) but doesn't really have much of a choice @ this point.

If blitz flips scum then shadow gets zero towncred for it.

Why would you bus when u wouldn't get any cred?

[JarJarDrinks]

that claim was super townie, scum!Shadow doesn't target Elyse at all and should be paranoid about lying about his target...

I agree that scumShadow doesn't target Elyse.

I disagree that he'd be paranoid about lying about his target ESPECIALLY w/ a tracker dead.

But do you know what he WOULD be paranoid about. Making a claim that could be countered. By saying that Elyse is non-PR, he guarantees a correct result. Anything else he'd have to guess.

[Shadow_step]

I honestly don't give a flying shit if scum give me town cred or not JJ.

[Shadow_step]

she's playing to her reactionary scum meta.
she's making up stuff like town has a vig and this is role madness and can't show any examples of a mini normal role madness game. This is a specificly designed idea to try to explain why there are more PRs than usual.

Claiming she'd vig IaI when she wasn't scum read him.

Like I'm not going to convince scum they are scum or thier buddy that they are scum so I'm just going to pray that Thor is the hero town doesn't deserve or Karnos actually goes through with his intent to hammer if enough ppl agree.

*round of applause*

Meta rocks, meta all the way --> Titus scum gogogo

Fuck meta. Look at intentions --> Shadow is scum.

Why the hell is Nero town again?

[JarJarDrinks]

If blitz flips town, we lynch giga tomorrow.

4 players /agree and I'll hammer.

Spoiler:

I will agree to this

Agree w/ 1 caveat: If whatever Shadow tells us about his target gets countered by someone, we lynch Shadow.

kankos, i /agree with 0 caveats.

agree

[Thor665]

@Thor: something similar goes for you. If things don't change, you'll be forced to choose between Blitz and Giga, both of whom you seem unwilling to lynch. Why aren't you trying to convince others to join you?

Because Giga is the only one I straight townread, and he's pretty clearly not the lynch at this point.
I'm poking at the Blitz one, since I don't actually see the Blitz "issue" as it where, but I also don't particularly scream town on the slot - I'm not white knighting a soft lean.

the Shadow wagon fizzled out. I wasn't town reading Blitz. Why should I care which scum gets lynched?

The Shadow wagon only fizzled due to the claim, and since it happened first I would have thought it would have been your preferred wagon of the pair.

setup wise, we're going to have 3 or 4 prs so yes, we can't have a tracker, a vig, a vanilla cop, a doc and an asetic. I'm still not getting why Titus thinks there's a vig but if Giga flips town then Blitz and or Shadow is confirmed scum and vice versa.

Would you support a mass claim?

I don't think I've ever seen a person sit @ L-1 for such a long time w/o a hammer or a single unvote.

You clearly haven't played enough games then.

VOTE: Karnos

life is getting a bit out of control for me. if titus can't get lynched, then this is the alternative that will likely flip scum. if the vig, if there is one, does not shoot me tomorrow (they didn't shoot me when i requested to be shot yesterday so i doubt there is one), i'll respond to whatever points/discussion i need to tomorrow (in-game). don't dismiss what titus says if she is town, I agree with her speculation in that there are likely more prs, probably not a vig but I shouldn't be counted as a pr, and 4 prs is not unreasonable.

i'll formally announce a v/la once i have a better idea of how much time i'll have in the future, sorry.

Caught scum getting desperate.

Desperate about what? Being L-2 and unvoting an L-1 wagon?

I don't have a lot of time for the game though, certainly not enough to actually functionally counter argue Karnos at this stage.

Stop.
Mjolnirtime.

Unvote: Karnos
Vote: Titus

The utter lack of activity or reads kind of pushed me over the edge.
I actually think the Shadow claim looked worse and it's very strange to me that Nero lead the charge in the opposite direction for no sensible reason when finding them both scummy.
I also think we probably should have mass claimed today, but there really isn't enough time with current activity levels - if I die tonight I advocate that for tomorrow, natch