Mini Normal 1829 - Game Over

[kraska77]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=67535
This had scum doctor and tracker
Town had tracked, followed, masons and a vig

[kraska77]

I was vigged n1 lol ;_;

[Nero Cain]

like a town asetic already nerfs the tracker and GS. And a vig already gives a false positive to the GS and Tracker would a vt cop get stuck in there to get ANOTHER false positive?

[kraska77]

Dunno honestly
But that game is a good example bc people also thought watcher and tracker together seem redundant and that town had too many powers

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Why are people scumreading Nero Cain again? He and Kraska are like lock-town to me. He also drove the Titus wagon the furthest, so unless Shadow is his partner, him pushing her over Shadow makes him more likely town.

I'm also struggling to find a partner besides Karnos, I think the wagon distribution is more likely 2-off-1-on, if not everyone being off it.

[Nero Cain]

mod: was this game approved for balance or both balance and normalcy ?

[Nero Cain]

I feel like its one of you/shadow
and
karnos
or
thor
or
Michel

in that order

[kraska77]

Keep in mind that Titus kept claiming this is role madness
I think that's because scum has two PRs
4 town PRs and an ascetic to balance that isn't too far fetched
And having town prs nerf eachother makes sense

[Nero Cain]

but I really really really don't think that Shadows claim is legit.

[kraska77]

Okay we lynch shadow today. Even if he flips town, no one goes after giga tom bc she's town as hell

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I really disagree with scum!Shadow?? kraska why are we switching opinions on this...

I'm going to review the game today probably but I don't get how Karnos is townier than Shadow.

[kraska77]

I think he's town but I don't want people having these shenanigans in late game
Better to resolve this now

[gigabyteTroubadour]

tomorrow is LYLO though, MYLO if a shot doesn't go through

we should try to lynch scum today

[Nero Cain]

inb4 michel/thor both claim pr and scum is giga and shadow :/

[kraska77]

Oh right o.o
Forgot we're 8 now
Hmm
I wanna lynch karnos

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I note that your reasons for IaI dying included "unlynchable - that, in and of itself provides any scum a solid reason to kill IaI no matter who scum is, unless scum is IaI.

Not really... There's a lot of utility in having an unlynchable person who townreads you. Once town starts worrying about why that person is living for a long time,

then

you should be killing off unlynchable people. But for a first nightkill? An IaI kill comes from a team that wants me lynched, I think that's pretty simple.

I also would note, that if I go to your case and replace Blitz's name with Gerry, or Thor, or Karnos, et al - it doesn't actually change the validity of the case.
Do you disagree with the above?
If so - could you replace the name with Karnos and explain how the case doesn't work?

Of course I disagree... I don't get how you came to the conclusion that you and Gerry were actively trying to dismantle the bloc I've formed. Gerry has done nothing but sheep, and you townread me. Karnos I can see, but I felt at the time of writing that case that A: Titus was pushing the fact that both Maria and I were scum together more (i.e., that she believed that we both needed to die) while Karnos was more interested in just getting me lynched "to get information about Maria", and B: I think dismantling a townbloc is an objective scum!Titus would think of before scum!Karnos. It's not so much that it doesn't work with Karnos as it is it makes more sense with Titus. I'll admit it's not a strong case but I really did not have a reason to townread Titus, and the Titus wagon's composition was really good (besides myself, 3 obvtownies and Elyse is a pretty good wagon and I still want that group of people to be a townbloc.).

never got around to responding to this post but what i wrote is exactly what i would have written the day before, verb tense excluded.

so the reads I'm interested in from others (i asked some of these in other posts but i'm just putting them here for easy ref):

• Why is Shadow scummier than Karnos?
  
  Is Elyse town? (i admit i'm confbiasing a bit still from D1, but i'm not townreading Elyse as strongly as Nero and Kraska, so if I'm looking for bussers on the wagon, I'm interested in Thor and her)
  
  Why are people scumreading Nero?
  
  If you still scumread me today... Why did Titus and I attempt a double bus?

Also, because the thread got locked before I could respond... The sarcastic post from D1 was "Thanks kankles." Not really sure how that was taken seriously after I started criticizing the hammer, but whatever... let's not make karnos think his case against me holds water

if there's any loose ends i haven't tied please tell me

[karnos]

I'm also struggling to find a partner besides Karnos, I think the wagon distribution is more likely 2-off-1-on, if not everyone being off it.

Are you saying there are 4 scum? Assuming 3 scum, as normal for this size game, there could have been 1-off 1-on. I don't know why you would suggest there are 4 scum, it would be very abnormal for a game of this size.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I'm also struggling to find a partner besides Karnos, I think the wagon distribution is more likely 2-off-1-on, if not everyone being off it.

Are you saying there are 4 scum? Assuming 3 scum, as normal for this size game, there could have been 1-off 1-on. I don't know why you would suggest there are 4 scum, it would be very abnormal for a game of this size.

i meant titus being on me as one of the "off"s

[gigabyteTroubadour]

we'd lose today with four group scum, so lol

[gigabyteTroubadour]

we'd lose today with four group scum, so lol

this is a lie, we lynched scum yesterday

sorry for the spam but i don't want to be called out for that

[Elyse]

Good with lynching karnos today

[Elyse]

I actually think it's karnos/Thor now

[chilledtea]

This game has been approved for both normalcy and balance.

[chilledtea]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT 3.01

karnos (L-3) : Shadow_step, kraska77.

gigabyteTroubadour (L-4) : karnos.

Not Voting (5) : Thor665, Elyse, gigabyteTroubadour, Nero Cain, MichelSableheart.

Day will end in (expired on 2016-10-01 18:30:00)

[karnos]

Alright I'm tired of wasting time, the scum and a few towny looking scum want to lynch me, go for it.

VOTE: karnos

Just remember after I flip, giga|nero|shadow is the pool for real scum.