Mini Normal 1829 - Game Over

[kraska77]

Seriously what was his reason to scum read blitz pre-claim?
Ans. Meta
blitz was a goon anyway, NC setting up a hard bus on blitz from day 1, isn't unlikely at all.

He called everyone scum on day 1 at some point so this is meh
He only got serious about lynching blitz day 2

[kraska77]

And i feel meta was valid
Anyone who played with town Titus before would have noticed she's off

[Thor665]

I kind of think Karnos, Elyse, and Shadow as my top scumpects.

[Thor665]

And i feel meta was valid
Anyone who played with town Titus before would have noticed she's off

I would agree with this.

[Thor665]

Though actually she was off for scum too - but moreso for town I feel.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I'd vote Karnos but idk if it's time to L-1 anyone, since he's self-voting and all...

Is everyone just unanimously agreeing that Karnos is probably not town? I'm having a hard time finding any of his posts particularly town when I have reasons to at least feel like everyone else could be town.

I would like to know what Michel thinks before a lynch, anyway, since he is reconsidering his reads post-flip (note that Karnos and Titus both have not...).

[Thor665]

Anyone who self votes deserves lynching off that case alone.

I advocate mass claim today first, though.
No one has particularly said they disagree with that, so I'm choosing to accept silence as acceptance.
I want Shadow to start it off with a popcorn, but if anyone wants to claim and then popcorn away I'd be good with that too - I think Karnos makes a lot of sense to be that person.

[kraska77]

why massclaim today and not tomorrow?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

With popcorn, the scummiest person starts, yeah? In that case, Karnos absolutely

should

be the one to start it because I still think Shadow's role is a town role in this set-up. I am also still townreading Shadow's play at the very least, too...

kraska, you're not supposed to massclaim at lylo/mylo because then that lets scum counterclaim and increase their chances at winning signficiantly

[kraska77]

i dont think tom will be lylo if we lynch karnos today :p

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i dont think tom will be lylo if we lynch karnos today :p

usually with things like this though you have to account for the worst case scenario

but i'm guessing everyone agrees with karnos going first?

[Thor665]

@Kraska - Why massclaim tomorrow and not today?

I think sooner makes more sense because we already have some living power that scum apparently don't give a fig about, and functionally if he is town the only way he becomes useful is with a massclaim - so if he's town, that helps us, and if he's scum it's meaningless because he's probably a true role claim alignment lie, or is a rolecop.

Also with the Vig/SK in play, that is kind of sexy and interesting, and I'd like to know which we have, and a massclaim will settle that as a Vig claims and an SK stays quiet, and I'd like to know sooner rather than later what we're dealing with as it changes the lylo/mylo realities.

The negatives we have is, potentially, a dead Vig - and that presumes both no SK and no protective, so seems an iffy risk at best, and frankly one I'm rather okay with.

Do you see any giant win in waiting a day for the claims?

@Giga - Scummiest should go first, but enough people have issues with Shadow that him going first makes sense to me, and if you think he's town then he'll theoretically still pick the 'scummiest' to claim next regardless - so I don't get the issue if he starts or if Karnos starts. Unless you think his scummiest read isn't Karnos.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

@Giga - Scummiest should go first, but enough people have issues with Shadow that him going first makes sense to me, and if you think he's town then he'll theoretically still pick the 'scummiest' to claim next regardless - so I don't get the issue if he starts or if Karnos starts. Unless you think his scummiest read isn't Karnos.

i guess that's true, there wouldn't be much of a difference. especially considering shadow already claimed, so?

is it normal for people to claim again in massclaim? i just realized that this is my first closed game onsite so this is a bit different for me

[kraska77]

Do you see any giant win in waiting a day for the claims?

no. youre right

[kraska77]

@Giga - Scummiest should go first, but enough people have issues with Shadow that him going first makes sense to me, and if you think he's town then he'll theoretically still pick the 'scummiest' to claim next regardless - so I don't get the issue if he starts or if Karnos starts. Unless you think his scummiest read isn't Karnos.

i guess that's true, there wouldn't be much of a difference. especially considering shadow already claimed, so?

is it normal for people to claim again in massclaim? i just realized that this is my first closed game onsite so this is a bit different for me

whats the difference between close and open games? i still dont know

[gigabyteTroubadour]

whats the difference between close and open games? i still dont know

open games = everyone knows what roles everyone can possibly get and exactly how they are distributed (e.g., the set-up says that there's one doctor and it's always town)

semi-open games = there's a pool of roles that everyone can get but it's not clear how they are distributed (Pick Your Power X/Y is an example since a doctor can be town or mafia and players pick the roles on their own, as are newbie games since no one knows the set-up for certain until claims start happening)

closed games = the players are told nothing about what the roles are, meaning that set-up spec is the only way to figure that out if a player thinks it's necessary

i've never had to do a massclaim in the open games i've played so it's kind of a new thing to do for me

[Elyse]

I think we should massclaim tomorrow and let the vig shoot again. Don't think there's an SK

[Nero Cain]

Thor, Shadow has already claimed unless you think he lied and he's going to make a new claim.

Karnos refuses to claim so he's either a vt or scum.

You claim, then Michel then me.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I think we should massclaim tomorrow and let the vig shoot again. Don't think there's an SK

i agree on the lack of a sk... however:

The vig should still claim today though unless they shot IaI or Titus N1. If they are one-shot, then we need to know because tomorrow will be MYLO if we mislynch. If they're not one-shot, then they probably hit scum N1 and that information is pretty important.

Why are you anti-massclaim?

[Elyse]

I feel comfortable with my scumpool of {karnos, Thor, shadow} and would prefer the vig to be able to get another shot off

[gigabyteTroubadour]

can't they just shoot tonight still? confused

[Elyse]

Yeah but if they have a roleblocker then they could block it

[gigabyteTroubadour]

ohhh

i was so caught up in thinking scum have a doc... rb seemed like overkill

[Thor665]

Thor, Shadow has already claimed unless you think he lied and he's going to make a new claim.

As the claimed PR he takes precedence if he wants to lead the popcorn.

Karnos refuses to claim so he's either a vt or scum.

I will agree those are two possibilities.

You claim, then Michel then me.

That might happen.

[Shadow_step]

I'm an ascetic bulletproof cop

Let's do this then

Popcorn Karnos