Newbie 1735 - Banana Split (Game Over!)

[JaeReed]

And it really fucking sucks.

I'm sorry.

[Dragonfire]

oh wait I did say I'd sheep GM

can't go back on my word, even if I think DDD is a better lynch

intent to hammer

As I said yesterday, I'm a VT.

If this is it, then goodbye folks. I wish I could say I enjoyed this, but to be honest I really didn't. Lynch DDD tomorrow and then look closely at those on my wagon after that. My best guess at partner would be GM, but the other three are all viable options.

[Accountant]

I'm sheeping GM today

If DDD flips scum I will sheep jae and iron

If DDD flips town I will sheep GM

Im sheeping jae

Going to be honest here guys this isn't a game that motivates me strongly due to how messy it is so imma go ahead and sheep who I know is town

Make up your mind. Who you sheep seems dependent on how DDD flips. Therefore the superior lynch is DDD.

Seems legit. Let's lynch DDD. Dragon seems town.

[jon_h61]

GM, Jon, GL: If Dragon flips town, who are you going to try to lynch on the last day that is left?

UNVOTE:

@ iron what's your opinion of accountant, especially considering his recent spat of posting? I'm unclear why he does anything he does.

@ accountant when you sheep, you actually just follow along blindly, huh ? Do you have any original thoughts about why Dragon or DDD might be scum?
As late in the Day as it is, I may not be able to sway enough votes your way, but I'm becoming convinced you're the better vote over Dragon.


@ Dragon Is there any chance you'd consider voting there Today?

Is anyone Town reading him enough to show me how his erratic play comes from Town. He keeps abdicating the responsibility for his vote, which makes it ever so easy to say "not my fault" after a Town flip.

[jon_h61]

@ Jae what do you think of GL now? I have him as Town, but I'd like to hear your thoughts on him.

[Dragonfire]

@ accountant when you sheep, you actually just follow along blindly, huh ? Do you have any original thoughts about why Dragon or DDD might be scum?
As late in the Day as it is, I may not be able to sway enough votes your way, but I'm becoming convinced you're the better vote over Dragon.


@ Dragon Is there any chance you'd consider voting there Today?

Is anyone Town reading him enough to show me how his erratic play comes from Town. He keeps abdicating the responsibility for his vote, which makes it ever so easy to say "not my fault" after a Town flip.

I don't think I'd consider voting Accountant today. DDD and maybe GM are the only people I would vote. But I agree that he's behaving rather oddly today; however, due to the stark difference in his play from D1 and D2, I think it could be attributed to him having less time for the game, whatever his alignment. The "sheeping" and abdicating responsibility do look fairly suspicious though, almost as if he's keeping his head low after copper's flip and his role on that wagon.

Why did you unvote me? Your play recently has been just as erratic as Accountant's. Assuming you actually read my response to your last post, what's your opinion of the misreps?

[jon_h61]

I do see how you could call them misreps, but consider, I feel like he's been misrepped too. If you're Town and he's scum, why do you think he picked you to push?

Do you feel Town always win arguments?

[jon_h61]

@ Dragon Do you think gm's rant yesterday was scum AtE?

[jon_h61]

Let's put it another way, do you think scum GM would be willing to get jumped on in every game she ICs for trying to AtE in this one game?

[jon_h61]

Let's consider a hypothetical situation. All three main wagons are Town, considering copper's flip. Who would most likely be scum?

[GuiltyLion]

GM, Jon, GL: If Dragon flips town, who are you going to try to lynch on the last day that is left?

uh idk how about ACCOUNTANT

[GuiltyLion]

oh wait I did say I'd sheep GM

can't go back on my word, even if I think DDD is a better lynch

intent to hammer

Also, yesterday you were saying you found GM to be scummier than DDD so why in hell would you sheep her today?

because Accountant is scum

like, if you ever once adjusted your priors and assumed town!DDD, you'd see this plain as day

[GuiltyLion]

I thought maybe you'd see sense after copper flipped that DDD absolutely was the only next viable lynch, and instead we end up in stupid theory arguments because we both have vastly different opinions on how to play.

I already voiced disagreement with this opinion so let me be abundantly clear.

I held the hammer at the end of D1 and saw two competing wagons. It is

extremely

rare for D1 in a Newbie to be TvS, in my many games of mafia here I don't think I remember it happening more than once or twice.

You know what I see all the time instead? TvT wagons, where scum don't care which one get lynched. How can the end of D1 read as anything but that as you? No one was willing to budge and move off their wagon and instead everyone in the game was willing to defer responsibility of choosing the lynch to me. That

screams

two mislynches.

To lynch the counterwagon is extremely bad play and what gets you MYLO/LYLO D3 nearly every time.

[GuiltyLion]

Is anyone Town reading him enough to show me how his erratic play comes from Town. He keeps abdicating the responsibility for his vote, which makes it ever so easy to say "not my fault" after a Town flip.

he has also

1) stuck a bullshit meta townread on me
2) "gladiated" copper for D1
3) immediately threw shade on me - IN TWILIGHT BEFORE A FLIP - for hammering copper
4) has said he'd sheep whoever today, isn't bothering to give reads or substantial cases
5) scumreads me for pushing him despite point #1

Accountant. Is. Scum

[goodmorning]

I mean, Accountant's pretty erratic regardless, but yeah, I'd lynch that.

Also I'm back. Let's do the deadline quickwagon againnnnnn

[Dragonfire]

I do see how you could call them misreps, but consider, I feel like he's been misrepped too. If you're Town and he's scum, why do you think he picked you to push?

Do you feel Town always win arguments?

I think he picked me to push because I'm the least experienced person here, he feels I'd be an easy mislynch and others also suspect me. And no, I don't feel Town always win arguments.

@ Dragon Do you think gm's rant yesterday was scum AtE?

I didn't see it as very AI to be honest.

Let's consider a hypothetical situation. All three main wagons are Town, considering copper's flip. Who would most likely be scum?

GM and Accountant probably.

[ironstove]

I initially thought accountant was scum, but I looked through his previous games and decided to town read him.

[goodmorning]

I have actually never been accused of being a bad IC when I was Scum except for activity reasons which don't technically apply and also were on purpose.

p-edit: explain please iron

[JaeReed]

I initially thought accountant was scum, but I looked through his previous games and decided to town read him.

This. I've played with Accountant as scum before and this isn't their scum game.

Not only the tone but the whole method of operating is different. The tone is really really really different though.

[JaeReed]

I thought maybe you'd see sense after copper flipped that DDD absolutely was the only next viable lynch, and instead we end up in stupid theory arguments because we both have vastly different opinions on how to play.

I already voiced disagreement with this opinion so let me be abundantly clear.

I held the hammer at the end of D1 and saw two competing wagons. It is

extremely

rare for D1 in a Newbie to be TvS, in my many games of mafia here I don't think I remember it happening more than once or twice.

You know what I see all the time instead? TvT wagons, where scum don't care which one get lynched. How can the end of D1 read as anything but that as you? No one was willing to budge and move off their wagon and instead everyone in the game was willing to defer responsibility of choosing the lynch to me. That

screams

two mislynches.

To lynch the counterwagon is extremely bad play and what gets you MYLO/LYLO D3 nearly every time.

Note he says this but Dragon was also a copper cw. He's trying to set it up to sound like there weren't three wagons. He is on and pushing a counterwagon to copper yet berating people on the DDD wagon for doing the same.

GL is scum. But the first person I need flipped is DDD.

[JaeReed]

oh wait I did say I'd sheep GM

can't go back on my word, even if I think DDD is a better lynch

intent to hammer

Also, yesterday you were saying you found GM to be scummier than DDD so why in hell would you sheep her today?

because Accountant is scum

like, if you ever once adjusted your priors and assumed town!DDD, you'd see this plain as day

No I've considered town DDD. End result is still Accountant as town, you as scum.

[goodmorning]

I thought maybe you'd see sense after copper flipped that DDD absolutely was the only next viable lynch, and instead we end up in stupid theory arguments because we both have vastly different opinions on how to play.

I already voiced disagreement with this opinion so let me be abundantly clear.

I held the hammer at the end of D1 and saw two competing wagons. It is

extremely

rare for D1 in a Newbie to be TvS, in my many games of mafia here I don't think I remember it happening more than once or twice.

You know what I see all the time instead? TvT wagons, where scum don't care which one get lynched. How can the end of D1 read as anything but that as you? No one was willing to budge and move off their wagon and instead everyone in the game was willing to defer responsibility of choosing the lynch to me. That

screams

two mislynches.

To lynch the counterwagon is extremely bad play and what gets you MYLO/LYLO D3 nearly every time.

Note he says this but Dragon was also a copper cw. He's trying to set it up to sound like there weren't three wagons. He is on and pushing a counterwagon to copper yet berating people on the DDD wagon for doing the same.

GL is scum. But the first person I need flipped is DDD.

tbf dragon was a copper

substitute

wagon but ok.

Also, I've played with Scum Acct and I can't say that his play here is completely inconsistent with his scumplay.

[ironstove]

Alright, I'm pretty sure town lost. I have a feeling now that both DDD and dragon are towns. I don't know who is mafia anymore because this game has gone for so long, it's all a blur.

[Accountant]

Jae and GM are confirmed town

[Accountant]

Jon is town but not confirmed