Mini Normal 1829 - Game Over

[Shadow_step]

but if ure jailed its like u never actioned at all

Yeah in a perfect world xD

[Shadow_step]

Okay let's just consider this for a second.
IF nero shot me and I was protected by scum doc, it means I am scum.

Consider this

6) A mafia member can only carry out his faction kill, or his individual ability, but not both.

If the scum doc protected me N1, he would protect me N2 as well.
Which means I did the kill, but only I didn't! I investigated Kraska.

[karnos]

Shots are never refunded no matter how they are lost ^^

The wiki says otherwise.

"There is no consensus in regards to whether an X-Shot Vigilante loses one of its ability uses if it is Roleblocked while trying to kill someone."

[gigabyteTroubadour]

UNVOTE:

hm...

[karnos]

Okay let's just consider this for a second.
IF nero shot me and I was protected by scum doc, it means I am scum.

Consider this

6) A mafia member can only carry out his faction kill, or his individual ability, but not both.

If the scum doc protected me N1, he would protect me N2 as well.
Which means I did the kill, but only I didn't! I investigated Kraska.

Unless you are lying.

If you rolled scum, would you lie about investigating to save yourself from getting lynched?

[Shadow_step]

Yeah I'm scum and the mod told me that Kraska and Elyse are VT and I can use that to fakeclaim Vanilla cop

[karnos]

VOTE: Shadow_Step

I'm still completely serious when I say that I should be vigged if not policied. My slot's a detriment to town and I don't think I'm a strong enough player to make it useful, I didn't read the game before replacing in and if I did I probably wouldn't have joined this.

It's interesting that this was said on day 1. Do you still agree giga? Do you want to be vig killed tonight, since shadow didn't cop you?

[Nero Cain]

but him and Kraksa/lyse would have to be scum.

[karnos]

@Shadow "If the scum doc protected me N1, he would protect me N2 as well."

That is some pretty shallow logic.

[karnos]

but him and Kraksa/lyse would have to be scum.

Elyse claimed vt. Kraska was universally town read, and probably looked like a safe pick. Worst case, scum!shadow's gambit outs a town PR. Not a great outcome, but if he thought he was getting lynched, why not try it?

Alternatively, he did investigate, the other mafia did the kill, and there was no doc protection night 2. Could even be a restriction against protecting the same player two nights in a row, so using the doc ability was useless. Could have been a 1 shot doc, or an odd-night doc. Shadow could have been 1 shot bp and there was no doc.

If you assume shadow might lie as scum, there are dozens of possibilities.

[Shadow_step]

@Shadow "If the scum doc protected me N1, he would protect me N2 as well."

That is some pretty shallow logic.

Doc can't self protect, you seriously expect me to be scum and my scum buddy to not protect me when I'm one of the most suspicious players with a chance of vig/sk. Like seriously?

[Shadow_step]

Elyse claimed vt.

Yes and Maria claimed to be a mason, what is your point?

[karnos]

@Shadow "If the scum doc protected me N1, he would protect me N2 as well."

That is some pretty shallow logic.

Doc can't self protect, you seriously expect me to be scum and my scum buddy to not protect me when I'm one of the most suspicious players with a chance of vig/sk. Like seriously?

Well. The vig didn't target you twice in a row, so in this particular game doc protecting twice in a row would have been a terrible play. Plus there are numerous possibilities where he *couldn't* protect you last night.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

VOTE: Shadow_Step

I'm still completely serious when I say that I should be vigged if not policied. My slot's a detriment to town and I don't think I'm a strong enough player to make it useful, I didn't read the game before replacing in and if I did I probably wouldn't have joined this.

It's interesting that this was said on day 1. Do you still agree giga? Do you want to be vig killed tonight, since shadow didn't cop you?

No, because I was a counterwagon pushed by scum and have helped town? To literally everyone else I'm obvious town. Might I ask why you think I was double bussing with Titus?

[karnos]

No, because I was a counterwagon pushed by scum and have helped town? To literally everyone else I'm obvious town. Might I ask why you think I was double bussing with Titus?

It was theoretically scum vs scum wagons. You could either bus one of them, or try to defend both and look like obv scum after the flip.

[Shadow_step]

Plus there are numerous possibilities where he *couldn't* protect you last night.

Would be a pretty useless doc when one scum gets lynched then, would be pointless.

[karnos]

Plus there are numerous possibilities where he *couldn't* protect you last night.

Would be a pretty useless doc when one scum gets lynched then, would be pointless.

Doc is already pointless after day 2, since the vig is out of shots. Your logic is terrible.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

No, because I was a counterwagon pushed by scum and have helped town? To literally everyone else I'm obvious town. Might I ask why you think I was double bussing with Titus?

It was theoretically scum vs scum wagons. You could either bus one of them, or try to defend both and look like obv scum after the flip.

why is titus bussing me though?? in your scumteam, I'd HAVE to be the doctor, so why the hell is Titus "tunneling" on LITERALLY THE MOST IMPORTANT MEMBER OF THE SCUMTEAM? People townreading me as scum means that they have to plan to keep me alive for endgame because the gunsmith (which the scumteam most likely knew existed) is the only one that could out me.

like the strategic thing to do for titus is to ""re-evaluate"" her reads post-Maria flip

[Nero Cain]

Gut still thinks that he's scum a scum investigation role that "investigated" Elyse b/c she was like the only claimed VT to be safe and then maybe fake confirmed his buddy Kranska.

[Shadow_step]

Doc is already pointless after day 2, since the vig is out of shots. Your logic is terrible.

Oh please

[gigabyteTroubadour]

fhsjsnshfjd

kraska is town nero what the fuck

[Shadow_step]

Gut still thinks that he's scum a scum investigation role that "investigated" Elyse b/c she was like the only claimed VT to be safe and then maybe fake confirmed his buddy Kranska.

Why the fuck am I wasting an investigation on a claimed VT?

[Nero Cain]

you didn't? You just claimed you did.

[Nero Cain]

Like you should have investigated Giga or maybe any of your scumreads.

[Nero Cain]

fhsjsnshfjd

kraska is town nero what the fuck

Why couldn't she read one buddy as scum (Titus/Blitz) and the other as town (shadow)?