Newbie 1742 Earth - Game Over

[Accountant]

I seem to be getting votes because of my support of you

That's not true at all. You're getting votes for inconsistency with stated reads vs voting patterns - like hesitating to vote a scumread because they already have a vote on them. This is a giant misrepresentation of the case against you.

[Accountant]

For the record I basically didn't realize and so didn't call. I do my best to call out L-1s as I see them, but they far from the top priority I have. I can show you a couple of other games where I was town and missed calling L-1s.

[Accountant]

Adding to that, I have a problem with Accountant calling out possible townee posts day one. If he isn't controlling the night kill he is at the very least influencing it.

Oh yeah, and Icy is also trying to tell me I should have communicated less and be less transparent about my reads. He needs to eat rope.

[Icy]

So Icy responds fairly promptly earlier on, then goes quiet when the hard questions are asked? Inactivity isn't a scumtell, but convenient inactivity in response to pressure is.

Icy has been posting around the same time every day, so where was the inactivity?

That's just not true. I wasn't aware that I was to be available 24/7 when I subbed in. I usually only play in the morning. I'll try to log in more often.

It's ok if you can't be on all the time as long as you can post at least once or twice a day. Some players like to post a lot more but it's not a requirement.

Not a distraction at all. I felt after reading day one that either Vampirate, or Shadowlancerx would be the night kill.

What reactions or responses were you looking for when you raised the subject?

... the reasoning behind the vote was weak. It appeared to me that he would have used that same reason on any townee that voted Penguin.

Why is that a reason for voting him?

To give the same reaction to the same action, whichever player made it, doesn't read as scummy to me. Yes, the reason was weak, but it's unusual to have strong reasons for voting anyone on page three of a game.

As a somewhat new player I'm struggling with "when does information help scum more than town", and "does everyone see what I see." I was looking for anyone to admit that in game posts could have influenced that night kill.

Maybe the reason for my vote on her wasn't good. It seemed to me at the time and still does like Accountants reason could have been used on anyone voting Penguin. After day one both seemed scummy to me.

[Shadowlancerx]

VOTE: Icy
You just seem far too inconsistent, I'm not a fan of how you subtly change your narrative as you go.

[Icy]

I'm not saying it should, or shouldn't be done. What I am saying is in HIS POST #26, it seems to read that it should be done.

Why post it should be done then not do it?

[Accountant]

Accountants reason could have been used on anyone voting Penguin. After day one both seemed scummy to me.

Why the Jimminy Cricket does that make me scum or the reasoning invalid??? This is not the first time you have dodged a question or failed to answer questions posed to you. You think they'll go away if you ignore them??

Face the music, Icy. You've been caught. Put your hands against the wall, do not move and do not resist arrest. You have the right ti remain silent as we lynch you.

[Accountant]

Okay, just realized that maybe you haven't read up. Tell me when you have.

[Icy]

ShadowlancerX and Blix900, would be good if you can get an avatar! they help players identify your posts quickly.

Also, shadowlancer is newbtown to a T. Scum are paranoid about dying, especially early on in the game, and so they do not vote themselves to L-1.

Vampirate is probably town

This is a game of numbers. If any townee agreed with Accountant (which I did) and Scum nightkilled player C that would leave one less possible scum player. The longer the game goes the worse it gets for the scum team.

The smart night kill was one of those two players.

[Icy]

Accountants reason could have been used on anyone voting Penguin. After day one both seemed scummy to me.

Why the Jimminy Cricket does that make me scum or the reasoning invalid??? This is not the first time you have dodged a question or failed to answer questions posed to you. You think they'll go away if you ignore them??

Face the music, Icy. You've been caught. Put your hands against the wall, do not move and do not resist arrest. You have the right ti remain silent as we lynch you.

Did I say the reason was invalid, or weak, lame and sorry? The reason made the hair on the back of my neck stand up, and my gut hurt. That along with your day one play made you my vote.

[Shadowlancerx]

ShadowlancerX and Blix900, would be good if you can get an avatar! they help players identify your posts quickly.

Also, shadowlancer is newbtown to a T. Scum are paranoid about dying, especially early on in the game, and so they do not vote themselves to L-1.

Vampirate is probably town

This is a game of numbers. If any townee agreed with Accountant (which I did) and Scum nightkilled player C that would leave one less possible scum player. The longer the game goes the worse it gets for the scum team.

The smart night kill was one of those two players.

So basically regardless of what we do today, I'm going to die tonight?

[PenguinPower]

ShadowlancerX and Blix900, would be good if you can get an avatar! they help players identify your posts quickly.

Also, shadowlancer is newbtown to a T. Scum are paranoid about dying, especially early on in the game, and so they do not vote themselves to L-1.

Vampirate is probably town

This is a game of numbers. If any townee agreed with Accountant (which I did) and Scum nightkilled player C that would leave one less possible scum player. The longer the game goes the worse it gets for the scum team.

The smart night kill was one of those two players.

But why would scum announce that to the rest of the players instead of silently picking them off?

[BlackVoid]

@Accountant, I'm going to hold on to my vote for now. Not ready to end the day until we see content from HinanawiScarlet who has only five posts and none of them are original content. He agrees that Penguin accidentally voted Blix900 but doesn't take a stance on Penguin's alignment, agrees that Icy's question about the nightkill was a distraction, and restates the same question everyone else asked Icy. I don't think he works as a partner with Icy though so I need to rethink one of those reads.

@Icy, I get why you voted Accountant but that doesn't really answer my question. You said regarding Penguin "

If there wasn't a vote on him already I would have voted there

." Can you walk me through what you were thinking at this point? Why did it matter that Huntress's vote was on Penguin? In your later posts, you seem to deny it entirely and say it doesn't matter so I don't follow. Also, you are not getting votes because of your support for Penguin. My issue is more that your stances on Accountant and Penguin are contradictory and you are backtracking. Accountant was clear about townreading Penguin and thinking that scum would push him. While I don't agree, I can see a coherent thought process there. I'm more interested in how easily I can understand where someone's coming from than in whether I agree with them.

[Accountant]

Accountants reason could have been used on anyone voting Penguin. After day one both seemed scummy to me.

Why the Jimminy Cricket does that make me scum or the reasoning invalid??? This is not the first time you have dodged a question or failed to answer questions posed to you. You think they'll go away if you ignore them??

Face the music, Icy. You've been caught. Put your hands against the wall, do not move and do not resist arrest. You have the right ti remain silent as we lynch you.

Did I say the reason was invalid, or weak, lame and sorry? The reason made the hair on the back of my neck stand up, and my gut hurt. That along with your day one play made you my vote.

Oh, so

now

the story is "my read was gut all along! "

No. This is scum who has realized they talked themselves into a corner and are trying to spin it as a gut read, which conveniently can't be explained(because it's GUT!!!!).

And it is indeed a pure gut read because I've already debunked his nonsense about me intentionally not L-1ing(I notice he didn't take me up on my offer to post games where I L-1ed accidentally as town, like actual town trying to discern my alignment would) and his other nonsense about me trying to control the night kill by townreading people.

[Accountant]

This is a game of numbers. If any townee agreed with Accountant (which I did) and Scum nightkilled player C that would leave one less possible scum player. The longer the game goes the worse it gets for the scum team.

The smart night kill was one of those two players.

By the way, this is an argument for town!Accountant being bad and telling the scum players who to kill, because it presumes that scum are killing people based on how much they're being townread; of course for this line of logic to make sense, the person doing the townreading(ie. me) has to be town themselves.

I thought you were scumreading me, Icy. Do you subconsciously know I'm not a member of the scumteam?

[Accountant]

I don't think he works as a partner with Icy though so I need to rethink one of those reads.

What makes you think this BlackVoid?

[BlackVoid]

Hinanawi's posts 97 and 111 looked like they were just sheeping general concensus on Icy. If they were partners, I'd expect either a stronger push for towncred upon bussing, or an attempt to drive a counterwagon to save Icy. Instead, we have the lazy "yeah, I agree with everyone about Icy."

[Accountant]

Makes sense.

[Icy]

ShadowlancerX and Blix900, would be good if you can get an avatar! they help players identify your posts quickly.

Also, shadowlancer is newbtown to a T. Scum are paranoid about dying, especially early on in the game, and so they do not vote themselves to L-1.

Vampirate is probably town

This is a game of numbers. If any townee agreed with Accountant (which I did) and Scum nightkilled player C that would leave one less possible scum player. The longer the game goes the worse it gets for the scum team.

The smart night kill was one of those two players.

But why would scum announce that to the rest of the players instead of silently picking them off?

I don't know why anyone would announce it.

[Icy]

@Accountant, I'm going to hold on to my vote for now. Not ready to end the day until we see content from HinanawiScarlet who has only five posts and none of them are original content. He agrees that Penguin accidentally voted Blix900 but doesn't take a stance on Penguin's alignment, agrees that Icy's question about the nightkill was a distraction, and restates the same question everyone else asked Icy. I don't think he works as a partner with Icy though so I need to rethink one of those reads.

@Icy, I get why you voted Accountant but that doesn't really answer my question. You said regarding Penguin "

If there wasn't a vote on him already I would have voted there

." Can you walk me through what you were thinking at this point? Why did it matter that Huntress's vote was on Penguin? In your later posts, you seem to deny it entirely and say it doesn't matter so I don't follow. Also, you are not getting votes because of your support for Penguin. My issue is more that your stances on Accountant and Penguin are contradictory and you are backtracking. Accountant was clear about townreading Penguin and thinking that scum would push him. While I don't agree, I can see a coherent thought process there. I'm more interested in how easily I can understand where someone's coming from than in whether I agree with them.

What I was thinking.

Penguin and Accountant were my top two. Penguin 1, Accountant 1a. At that point Huntress had voted Penguin, and Accountant voted Huntress. There was already some pressure on Penguin and Accountants reason for vote (valid or not) bothered me. Rather than put more pressure on Penguin and let Accountant slide. I decided to apply some pressure to Accountant by voting him.

Had Accountant not voted Huntress I would have voted Penguin.

[Icy]

This is a game of numbers. If any townee agreed with Accountant (which I did) and Scum nightkilled player C that would leave one less possible scum player. The longer the game goes the worse it gets for the scum team.

The smart night kill was one of those two players.

By the way, this is an argument for town!Accountant being bad and telling the scum players who to kill, because it presumes that scum are killing people based on how much they're being townread; of course for this line of logic to make sense, the person doing the townreading(ie. me) has to be town themselves.

I thought you were scumreading me, Icy.

Do you subconsciously know I'm not a member of the scumteam?

So you admit you know

I'm Town

!!!!!!!

[Accountant]

I don't know why anyone would announce it.

So why the hell would you write this as your reason for scumreading me? To scumread someone, you find something they do, explain why scum would do this and link the two to conclude theg are scum. You're completely missing the second step, and someone who's been here since March would know better.

If you can't explain why scum would do something, there's no valid reason to scumread someone for doing that thing.

There was already some pressure on Penguin and Accountants reason for vote (valid or not) bothered me. Rather than put more pressure on Penguin and let Accountant slide. I decided to apply some pressure to Accountant by voting him.

Had Accountant not voted Huntress I would have voted Penguin.

You're so full of shit, Icy. Real town want to wagon and kill their scumreads. They want to pile votes on top of them and shove them into the noose, like I'm doing to you right now. Someone who had the mindset of wanting to kill Penguin but not wanting to let me slide would have voted Penguin and then verbally put pressure on me by calling me out and shit.

This is terrible logic. Die! Die! Die!

[Accountant]

So you admit you know I'm Town!!!!!!!

???????

That line you quoted was me implying you're scum who knows that

I'm

town.

[PenguinPower]

So you admit you know I'm Town!!!!!!!

I don't know how you got that from his post. He was insinuating that you were scum with the knowledge he was not.

[Icy]

Subconsciously: acting or existing without one's awareness

If I were scum I would know you were town, my subconscious wouldn't be fighting me.