Newbie 1742 Earth - Game Over

[Huntress]

I see Accountant still hasn't answered my questions.

[hinanawiscarlet]

UNVOTE:
I feel pretty confident that either Huntress or Accountant are scum. I have had that feeling of being lead in the back of my mind, but I did trust accountant. I still do to an extent, and I think a lynch on either one of them will push us to a pretty close to solved endgame.

Penguin I'm not scum, but I recognize that if he flips scum you won't believe that. However, if he flips scum, I believe town can still win, even without me.

If he flips town, then it's huntress and we go from there.

Can you explain to me why you trust Accountant?

With all that's happened I feel a little foolish, but basically he recognized me for the newb town I am early game, after I made a fool of myself. From there, his posts followed logic, made sense to me. I thought (and still hope) that he acted that way as a true town, and that if he was that dead on about me, that his reads would be more likely to be accurate elsewhere. For good or for ill, I've taken his lead thus far, and if that gets me killed as his false partner, then I've learned more from this game.

Correct me if I'm wrong: You believe Accountant is town because he immediately realize that you're town?

I think any sufficiently skilled player can do that, regardless of alignment.

[Shadowlancerx]

UNVOTE:
I feel pretty confident that either Huntress or Accountant are scum. I have had that feeling of being lead in the back of my mind, but I did trust accountant. I still do to an extent, and I think a lynch on either one of them will push us to a pretty close to solved endgame.

Penguin I'm not scum, but I recognize that if he flips scum you won't believe that. However, if he flips scum, I believe town can still win, even without me.

If he flips town, then it's huntress and we go from there.

Can you explain to me why you trust Accountant?

With all that's happened I feel a little foolish, but basically he recognized me for the newb town I am early game, after I made a fool of myself.

From there, his posts followed logic, made sense to me.

I thought (and still hope) that he acted that way as a true town, and that if he was that dead on about me, that his reads would be more likely to be accurate elsewhere. For good or for ill, I've taken his lead thus far, and if that gets me killed as his false partner, then I've learned more from this game.

Correct me if I'm wrong: You believe Accountant is town because he immediately realize that you're town?

I think any sufficiently skilled player can do that, regardless of alignment.

I bolded above, but basically I wasn't convinced from his read on me, but all of the subsequent posts that were logical helped and I slowly became convinced over time.

[Shadowlancerx]

Like I said, I feel a little foolish, he is perfectly capable of faking all this, but that is what it is at this point.

[PenguinPower]

I think any sufficiently skilled player can do that, regardless of alignment.

Or any scum, since they actually do know.

[Accountant]

Play the Accountant Game, please.

@Huntress: I'm not interested in wasting words on answering a scum member's questions. If actual town wants to know the answer, they's ask me themselves.

[Accountant]

I see Accountant still hasn't answered my questions.

This isn't even town hounding after their scumread for dodging questions, btw. Compare how I was yelling at Icy over and over to answer my questions vs this post, which is directed at the rest of the town and intended to make me look bad(ie. throw shade at me) rather than get answers.

[PenguinPower]

F it.

Gut says Accountant. My gut is usually wrong.

VOTE: Huntress

[Shadowlancerx]

VOTE: Accountant
I'll play your game. I gotta know.

[Accountant]

Roll up, roll up!! Play the game, don't be a square! It's the duel of the century!

Right now, I'm looking at Scarlet as a scumbuddy! But that could change! Who knows!

[Huntress]

This isn't even town hounding after their scumread for dodging questions, btw. Compare how I was yelling at Icy over and over to answer my questions vs this post, which is directed at the rest of the town and intended to make me look bad(ie. throw shade at me) rather than get answers.

If I thought there was any chance of you answering I would have been more direct about it, as I was in 217, but I had given up hope of that so was just pointing it out to the others there. How about proving me wrong and actually answering?

[Accountant]

How about proving me right and lynching yourself?

[Icy]

Penguin, what do you make of scarlet's move here? He's on your lynch list anyway, does that change your thought process or, is it just a gambit? If I'm thinking out loud, is it possible hunt is a roleblocker and scarlet is falling on the sword here...
My gut tells me to hold strong for Huntress,

but as you're my strongest town read right now

, I'd like to get your thoughts too.

Shadowlancer isn't scum. Newbscum doesnt L-1 themselves early on the game.

Unless they have an IC coaching them pre-game not to worry about it.

This vote confirms PP as town.

I don't get why you're buddying me.

I'm getting a really bad feeling that Accountant may be scum leading the town.

TRUST

YOU GOTTA HAVE TRUST

(also, why would I bother switching off Icy if I was scum)

Can't trust an IC who is buddying me. You swapped off Icy because it makes you look more towny.

Huntress is the only scum I'm 100% absolutely sure of. Vote her or me, pick your side.

If Huntress flips town, I want everyone to lynch me tomorrow.

I'm actually wanting to do this as the inverse.

To be blunt, I don't think the setup is relevant right now.

Agreed, but I can't shake the feeling that you and Shadow are scumbuddies. More confident in you.

VOTE: Accountant

Late Wednesday night I started to get the feeling (based on town involvement) that Accountant and I were town on town. I hate Accountants game, and won't vote because I feel Accountant and Huntress is likely town on town also.

Accountant: Are you so tied up in your own game, that you can't see what's happening? Shadow posted that Penguin was his strongest town read. The way he sheeps people that's a huge concern! Penguin voted you while Huntress and I had votes on you. Of course he didn't call L-1. (because were just not doing that this game) I dropped my vote on you so Shadow couldn't derphammer you! Now Penguin has moved his vote back to Huntress.

Your support of him seems to hinge on him being so bad of a player that he is incapable of changing his play style from game to game?

Are you as sure of Huntress being scum as you were of me?

[Accountant]

If Huntress was town, scum would quickwagon her and frame me for it. Huntress can't be town.

Shadow can sheep whoever he likes as he is all but confirmed town.

[Accountant]

No way town Huntress coincidentally scumreads me for unrelated reasons right after I expose her as scum.

[PenguinPower]

I dropped my vote on you so Shadow couldn't derphammer you!

Or, if Huntress flips town, because you're scum buddies with Accountant.

Your support of him seems to hinge on him being so bad of a player that he is incapable of changing his play style from game to game?

Ouch. That hurts my feelings. I don't have a defined play style yet. I've only been here three months.

[Accountant]

Icy play the game, don't be silly

[PenguinPower]

The more I think about it, the more confident I am. If Accountant was scum, he could have gone along with Huntress and probably gotten my mislynched fairly easily and without suspicion. He didn't. However, Huntress did try to do that.

[Accountant]

And remember, if Accountant is town, Huntress is scum. Say it with me, kids -- if Accountant is town, Huntress is scum.

[PenguinPower]

I'm going to PenguinBash you if you end up being scum.

[BlackVoid]

Looks like me, Scarlet, and Icy are the resident big weenie nya nyas of this game. Gotta step it up, my fellow weenies!

On a serious note, Accountant, I think you are tunneling and it would be great if you could step back and rethink the game. You are saying that if Huntress is town, scum would definitely lynch her and set you up tomorrow. But the converse is just as true - scum could wagon you and take an easy mislynch of Huntress tomorrow if she happens to be town. I don't like the way Penguin and Shadowlancer approached this 1v1.

@Penguin, I'd like to see you talk about your reads more in-depth. You said you "think" it's Huntress and Scarlet but "feel" that it's me and Accountant. What does that mean? You also said that you prefer a Huntress/Scarlet lynch today but then voted Accountant, why?

@Shadowlancer, similar question: you've been strongly townreading Accountant for most of the game save a few small nags and thought that Huntress and Scarlet make the most sense. How did this read change and why are you voting Accountant over Huntress?

I'm not townreading Huntress but if we lynch her, it should be based on her own play, not some silly "game" where we set up the next lynch on the chance she flips town. I suspect Scarlet and Penguin so even if we lynch Huntress and wind up being wrong, I'm not auto-lynching Accountant tomorrow over my actual scumreads. That's dumb.

[Icy]

I dropped my vote on you so Shadow couldn't derphammer you!

Or, if Huntress flips town, because you're scum buddies with Accountant.

Your support of him seems to hinge on him being so bad of a player that he is incapable of changing his play style from game to game?

Ouch. That hurts my feelings. I don't have a defined play style yet. I've only been here three months.

Accountant and I are the scum team........ARE YOU HIGH?????

I complement you and it hurts your feelings......I gotta quit playing this game for today, my heads starting to hurt.

[BlackVoid]

By the way, Icy is a strong townread based on his reaction to this combat between Accountant and Huntress. Half the players reacted opportunistically but I thought he approached it in the most level-headed way.

[PenguinPower]

@Penguin, I'd like to see you talk about your reads more in-depth.

No.

You said you "think" it's Huntress and Scarlet but "feel" that it's me and Accountant. What does that mean?

Logic and Gut.

You also said that you prefer a Huntress/Scarlet lynch today but then voted Accountant, why?

Gut. I got burned bad by a scum IC in my first newbie...this reminds me of that.

Accountant and I are the scum team........ARE YOU HIGH?????

This seems like an overreaction with no substance.

By the way, Icy is a strong townread based on his reaction to this combat between Accountant and Huntress. Half the players reacted opportunistically but I thought he approached it in the most level-headed way.

You mean half the players reacted logically. He reacted based on his "feel" that Accountant/Huntress interaction is TvT. Why does he "feel" that way?

[Shadowlancerx]

@Shadowlancer, similar question: you've been strongly townreading Accountant for most of the game save a few small nags and thought that Huntress and Scarlet make the most sense. How did this read change and why are you voting Accountant over Huntress?

I still read accountant as town, but I don't trust my reads at this point. I don't trust anything at this point. And I have to know if I've been strung along this hard. A lynch on Accountant gives me closure, and it puts me at a point where I feel better about the game, because either
A. He comes up town, I feel that much stronger about Huntress.
B. He comes up scum and we are that much closer to winning.