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[Creature]

Would scum!Transcend go from scumreading to townreading scum!Vedith?

[Transcend]

I am insanely busy and cannot find the time to read this game until Monday. Bear with me.

[Transcend]

Okay this game has been on my mind quite a bit so I will take time to say this.

Gun to my head I think that the last scum is

Creature

.

I am nowhere near close to certain about this, because as I said both of you were lock town for me and I was coming into this day voting Io.

I think after careful thinking, Vig/Dayvig/BG/Watcher/Neap in a 13 sounds a bit too stacked. Not too sure if both SCUM and VIG targeted massive.

Also, C didn't vote Titus, but he didn't exactly do anything to stop the speed wagon that occurred on her when he was certain enough to vote me before I even gave a report.

The fact that he said that I was gonna claim there was a ninja is somewhat damning.

However, none of our prs have been extremely powerful so it could be a bunch of nerfed prs which means Rach is scum.

It's plausible for her to be scum since she did quickhammer Titus which is quite easily a move that any scum could make to easily win the game.

I did say that BlackStar's vote put her at L-1.

I need to read ISOs and collect quotes and decide who is more genuine, but that is not something I'm even close to in the mood to doing right now.

To defend myself since I believe I'm going to be lynched and it will lose the game for T, this mylo is absolute suicide for me. As I said, BlackStar said that he was gonna lynch me if Titus flipped town, which, happened.

[Transcend]

What I'm saying is that BlackStar is to this game as Zachstralkita is to this game http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=66955

Long story short, Bins was tr'd by Zach (the IC since d1) all game. Zach was left alive til final 4 MYLO. Zach lynched dave (Bins' cc) when RC suggested heavily against it.

You have been confirmed town since D1 BlackStar, you really should not be alive unless someone wants you alive.

Someone killed an unclear over you because they don't think you're gonna hammer them.

[Transcend]

So if I had hammer in Creature and RachMarie right now, right now I'd probably hammer Creature, but this is having not reread the game at all and going off of muscle memory. I need to read interactions/associations/progression of the game.

[Transcend]

Spoiler: Creature / massive / Vedith d1

DISCLAIMER: I am being lazy as f*** and using the ctrl+F function. But I'm comparing his tunnel on massive vs. his tunnel on Vedith and his vig shot.

Creature says he was going to "shoot Vedith n1 but changed to massive"

Before he posted for the first time, his tunnel on massive was based on not being there at all. Then after massive posts, he only has him on lists, nothing like a case or anything.

1. xyzzy
2. Transcend

3. light_ganski
4. massive
5. Seraphim
6. Killthestory

7. BlackStar
8. Creature

9. Skelda
10. Vedith

11. Blitzkrieg
12. Io
13. Naomi-Tan

1. xyzzy
2. Transcend

3. light_ganski - Null
4. massive - Null
5. Seraphim - Null
6. Killthestory - Scummy

7. BlackStar
8. Creature

9. Skelda - Scummy
10. Vedith - Scummy

11. Blitzkrieg
12. Io
13. Naomi-Tan

light_ganski
massive
Killthestory
Skelda
Vedith
Io

Io
Seraphim
Skelda
massive
Vedith

Currently seeing these as scum candidates.

xyzzy
massive
Seraphim
Killthestory
Skelda
Vedith

Hopefully these don't live to LyLo (unless they're somewhat confirmed).

This is literally every post that Creature said that mentioned massive's name once he posted. Absolutely. Nothing.

Now here's his tunnel on Vedith. It's a lot heavier. It has (decent) reasoning to it

UNVOTE:

Skelda/pistachi0n/massive

Believe me or not, I am scum reading all of them already.

If not them, then Vedith

.

Fun fact, this post includes 3 lynchbaits and then he puts Vedith as a "if they're not scum" option.

light_ganski
massive
Vedith
pistachi0n

Would easily wagon any of these

I can at least make a proper case against light_ganski and Vedith, aka they're hiding in the shadow.

He's prob distancing Vedith here.

Town!Vedith wouldn't take so long to start posting content and then proceed to tunnel someone.

I suspect distancing in post 140, probably Vedith.

However then he begins to build a case on Vedith.

VOTE: Vedith

It looks like light and Vedith were distancing.

Followed by a vote, with decent reasoning.

I really want to lynch Vedith, Seraphim is obvtowning, but I am afraid that Blitzkrieg won't listen to us until her scumreads are lynched.

More pushing on Vedith.

Vedith posting elsewhere.

Noted

Even more pushing on Vedith.

Oh right, why are we townreading Vedith again?

It's really hard for me to believe that out of all 10 players he can vig, he selects massive. Over say, Vedith. Or hell, even myself/KTS as indicated here.

Before this locks, KTS + Transcend looks like a good scum team pair.

Leaning heavily towards Creature now. And I think he bussed both his partners d1. But he made sure one of them didn't get lynched because xyzzy gained momentum and he hopped on her momentum after having her crossed off as scum for a decent portion of the game. Most likely a vanity tunnel.

[Transcend]

Spoiler: But wait! There's more!

Read these sequence of quotes and imagine Creature being a town vigilante that had the intent of shooting Vedith the previous night.

Probably between Skelda, Vedith and Blitzkrieg

Aiite.

Seraphim (3): Blitzkrieg, Vedith, xyzzy

Maybe there's one scum there.

One scum there, one scum there...

Going with this:

VOTE: Skelda

Nah just kidding. Let's lynch Skelda. From there he keeps his vote on Skelda for a VERY long time.

Hi I'm not dead

Reads:

{Naomi, Transcend}
{

Xyzzy

}
{KTS}
{Skelda,

massive

, Io}
{blackstar}
{Vedith, creature}

Still gotta ISO the new people

@Mod - I though I'd changed my vote to vedith in 495

No mention of Seraphim and pistachi0n.

Pushing on Sera/Pista, excluding Vedith lol.

Maybe it's just Skelda and Vedith.

Maybe... but I'm gonna vote the person I didn't think about vigging lol....

Also, if Vedith flips scum, Seraphim is pretty much town as I doubt he would bus all his buddies early in the game to be survivalistic.

Here's this scenario that's neat if Vedith flips scum, but nahhh gonna keep voting Skelda!

I want to flip Vedith, he'll give us a bunch of info even if he flips town.

LETS FLIP VEDITH!!! (no vote to follow)

I want to flip Vedith, he'll give us a bunch of info even if he flips town.

okay

VOTE: Vedith

KTS votes Vedith! Does Creature vote Vedith with him?

PoE:
Vedith
Seraphim
Killthestory
Blitzkrieg
Skelda

ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!

I'd start PoEing with Skelda.

LETS POE SKELDA!!!! NOT VEDITH!!!

Okay, guess

Vedith

and KTS are

town

.

VOTE: Skelda

I'm obviously not going to be able to lynch Kill today so moving to plan 2. Skelda at least wouldn't be a bad shoot for Black.

Momentum on Skelda rises, and Creature has not moved his vote since the beginning of day.

PoE:

Vedith

Seraphim

Killthestory

Blitzkrieg
Skelda

Transcend
Naomi-Tan

Also, idk why Skelda wouldn't be okay with us PoEing him.

And Vedith is now crossed out from the list... even though I was thinking about vigging him...

Vote Count 1.7

light_ganski (5): Io, Seraphim, Creature, Transcend, Blitzkrieg
Creature (2): xyzzy, light_ganski
Vedith (2): BlackStar, Naomi-Tan
BlackStar (1): Vedith
xyzzy (1): massive
killthestory (1): Skelda
Seraphim (1): killthestory

Not Voting (0):

With 13 votes it takes 7 to lynch

Day ends in (expired on 2016-09-09 11:30:00)

Sorry I cant get it color coded it keeps breaking the tags when I do that uggh.

Vote count before the awesome shot by Black. Notice that not only did light tunnel on creature he is voting with the same townie he was setting up for a mislynch. Plus look where creature's vote is on the scum. Probably one of the vanity wagons though one of the scum of two may be on his buddy's wagon ready to jump off if it gets to L-1. They did not count on the day vig shot though so they must be scrambling by now.

[area=Vote Count 1.13 xyzzy (7): Io, Transcend, Creature, Seraphim, massive, BlackStar, Killthestory
Seraphim (3): Blitzkrieg, Vedith, xyzzy
Blitzkrieg (1): Naomi-Tan

Not Voting (1): Skelda[/area]

A lynch has been achieved

I definitely could get behind a skelda vote for sure Was first on KTS and not on Light and then not voting. KTS was not under much pressure and is on the xyz wagon, could be scum buddy. Or Io or Trans. But with day talk it may have had both off that wagon knowing they already sowed the seeds with their making it like light was the buddy.

VOTE: Skelda

And more momentum on Skelda arises.

Rach is town.

Hey Rach, you're voting my scapegoat lynch. You're town.

Townreads of my head: BlackStar, Naomi, RachMarie, Io, Blitzkrieg.

Who's left?

Out of nowhere Vedith goes back in to the scum pool.

KTS, Skelda, Transcend, Vedith

Who's scum here?

^^

VOTE: Skelda

Incase I didn't.

But still gonna make sure Skelda eats rope LOL!!!

I can buy him thinking it was bluff b/c I thought the same thing honestly.

VOTE: Blitzkrieg

This vote might be vain but idc I'm not voting an empty slot so this is where my vote will be for a while.

Skelda slot replaces out, so Skelda wagon dissipates. No scapegoat lynch for Creature!

yeah well I understand why he wants to save his shot with only 2 of them

So moving along

going to give the replacement a chance to speak Moving to scumspect 2

VOTE: KTS

Again, more switches off of Skelda.

VOTE: KTS

Well damn, can't get Skelda lynched. Guess I'm gonna have to vote V--- wait nvm let's kill KTS!!!

The fake dayvig wasn't the real reaction test. I was actually town reading KTS from way back here when eh was catching up on the game.

VOTE: Light

I'm leaving my vote here, going to eat, and when I get back, I expect Light to be dead.

I WENT B ACK TO CHECK TO THE REPLIES NAD LITHG IS ALREADY DEAD???

MY DREAM COME TRUE. A PERSON DIES BEFORE I EVEN SAY FOR THEM TO DIE

ha

I just don't think that scum would've faked that. It felt genuine to me. And he's said throughout the agen that he doesn't feel invested in it so it makes sense why he didn't seem to care much when he got "shot". I don't see any hidden agenda in his posts and he just looks like a townie who doesn't feel like doing much. The point of the fake shot was to look at the reactions of everyone else and see who would act opportunistically after it. Rachmarie stands out to me the most. We really should've lynched this slot ages ago. Sorry for using you to scum hunt, KTS.

VOTE: rachmarie

BlackStar makes a vote on RachMarie. Guess what fucking happens next.

Bah I'll see where this goes.

VOTE: RachMarie

You guessed it! Another vote from Creature that isn't on Vedith! Let's bring a blast from the past shall we?

Rach is town.

LOL LOL LOL

Skelda is an empty slot, Vedith isn't.

I am going to follow my heart.

VOTE: Vedith

So in this sequence he finally votes Vedith after partaking in lynches on 3 other people that weren't the person he had intentions on vigging.

uggh



VOTE: Vedith

but when skelda gets his replacement, don't let him off the hook

Momentum on Vedith rises! Oh crap what do I do what do I do!

VOTE: Expedience

I'm inclined to agree with BlackStar. Creature and Expedience definitely share an alignment.

Ooo an out.

VOTE: Expedience

Whew.

And yeah that's pretty much enough. 43 posts later after voting Vedith he hops on the Skelda slot again which he started out voting which inevitably gets lynched at end of day.

VOTE: Creature

I'm not even sure if I need to read Rach/predecessors' ISO's. This is clear cut distancing.

[Transcend]

Also, my N1 shot would be Vedith, but then one day before the deadline I changed to massive.

This is the quote in question btw.

Vigging massive when he had a case on Vedith that supported as scum with FLIPPED MAFIA and absolutely nothing on massive does not look accurate at all.

But the damning thing is Creature not voting Vedith d2 for very long AT ALL and getting the Skelda/Expedience slot lynched like a walk in the park.

Please read both spoilers above if you want more meat to this.

[Transcend]

I guess I wasn't as tired as I thought I was. Today was exhausting a'f at work but I guess I really got in to this game more than I thought I would.

[Transcend]

Vote Count 2.8

Expedience (6): Blitzkrieg, Transcend, Killthestory, BlackStar, Rachmarie, Io
Transcend (2): Vedith, Creature
Killthestory (2) Expedience, Naomi-Tan


Not Voting (0):

A lynch has been achieved

Oh wow and look at where his vote is parked at the end of day. WITH THE PERSON HE WAS CONTEMPLATING VIGGING.

L

O

L

[Transcend]

Fun fact: There's been 5 nights of this game, but I've only watched 2 people throughout the course of the entire game

[Transcend]

light/Vedith interaction was obvious, I don't know how Transcend saw Vedith as town (could've vigged him).

I had Vedith as scum for quite a while for that reason, but this was before I flipped in mhsmith's mini. I used meta against my better judgment and I was wrong lol.

[Creature]

I was going to shoot Vedith N1, but I was afraid he was PR and I thought Skelda could've posted more, so I shoot massive who was least likely PR and I expected a scum in the xyzzy wagon.

[Creature]

Fun fact: There's been 5 nights of this game, but I've only watched 2 people throughout the course of the entire game

Why?

[Creature]

I was going to shoot Vedith N1, but I was afraid he was PR and I thought Skelda could've posted more, so I shoot massive who was least likely PR and I expected a scum in the xyzzy wagon.

I also wanted to shoot someone N1 so scum could think they were dealing with a full vig.

[Transcend]

I was going to shoot Vedith N1, but I was afraid he was PR and I thought Skelda could've posted more, so I shoot massive who was least likely PR and I expected a scum in the xyzzy wagon.

And how come you didn't specify this until now?

Also I only watched Naomi-Tan and BlackStar because they were the targets I expected mafia to hit each night lol.

[Transcend]

Except for Night 3, I was fairly sure I was gonna die. But then Mr. Ninja said otherwise.

[Creature]

I was going to shoot Vedith N1, but I was afraid he was PR and I thought Skelda could've posted more, so I shoot massive who was least likely PR and I expected a scum in the xyzzy wagon.

And how come you didn't specify this until now?

Because I thought I didn't need to.

[Transcend]

I was going to shoot Vedith N1, but I was afraid he was PR and I thought Skelda could've posted more, so I shoot massive who was least likely PR and I expected a scum in the xyzzy wagon.

I also wanted to shoot someone N1 so scum could think they were dealing with a full vig.

Meh. I just dunno if I buy that you "thought Vedith was pr". Can you perhaps quote some posts that made you think he might have been PR?

[Creature]

Also, my N1 shot would be Vedith, but then one day before the deadline I changed to massive.

light/Vedith interaction was obvious, I don't know how Transcend saw Vedith as town (could've vigged him).

[Creature]

I was going to shoot Vedith N1, but I was afraid he was PR and I thought Skelda could've posted more, so I shoot massive who was least likely PR and I expected a scum in the xyzzy wagon.

I also wanted to shoot someone N1 so scum could think they were dealing with a full vig.

Meh. I just dunno if I buy that you "thought Vedith was pr". Can you perhaps quote some posts that made you think he might have been PR?

His low-hanging attitude seemed like a hint he was PR as he isn't usually low-hanging fruit as scum. Also when I took a look at his ISO overnight, my gut told me he was town.

[Transcend]

So you say that light/vedith interaction was obvious. Yet you didn't vig Vedith or even really attempt to lynch Vedith until d3 when he was in a direct cc with obvtown mcobvtownerson, Naomi-Tan. Are you sure their interaction made them obvious scum together?

[Creature]

Except for Night 3, I was fairly sure I was gonna die. But then Mr. Ninja said otherwise.

I thought you said you only used your action N1 and N2?

[Creature]

So you say that light/vedith interaction was obvious. Yet you didn't vig Vedith or even really attempt to lynch Vedith until d3 when he was in a direct cc with obvtown mcobvtownerson, Naomi-Tan. Are you sure their interaction made them obvious scum together?

It was when I took a look over the night, and I was afraid Naomi-Tan could have been pulling a great scum game.

[Creature]

Nvm, still thought Vedith was scum after Night 1 ended, I still needed advice.