Newbie 1742 Earth - Game Over

[PenguinPower]

WTF leads you to believe my poe is wrong???

You really believe that Scarlet is throwing his partner under the bus?

Why isn't your vote on Scarlet?

[Accountant]

for what its worth I trust PP right now.

[Icy]

WTF leads you to believe my poe is wrong???

You really believe that Scarlet is throwing his partner under the bus?

Why isn't your vote on Scarlet?

Until this silly game is over I will remain a no-vote.

[Accountant]

WTF leads you to believe my poe is wrong???

You really believe that Scarlet is throwing his partner under the bus?

Why isn't your vote on Scarlet?

Until this silly game is over I will remain a no-vote.

WHAT

Ok listen up

a no-vote is a terrible idea

objectively a terrible idea

you're taking away info from town because they can't look at what wagons you're on

and you lose a chance to vote your scumreads, even if they're wrong

there's literally 0 reason for you to no-vote

plz get your head back in the game and stop with this temper tantrum "I don't like accountatn's game so I won't play!" thing

[PenguinPower]

Until this silly game is over I will remain a no-vote.

Why? You strongly think Scarlet is scum, right? Why remain non-comittal...unless you are trying to give yourself flexibility later on.

p-edit

Agree with the above.

[PenguinPower]

Icy is becoming a strong contender for scum #2.

[Icy]

WTF leads you to believe my poe is wrong???

You really believe that Scarlet is throwing his partner under the bus?

Why isn't your vote on Scarlet?

Until this silly game is over I will remain a no-vote.

WHAT

Ok listen up

a no-vote is a terrible idea

objectively a terrible idea

you're taking away info from town because they can't look at what wagons you're on

and you lose a chance to vote your scumreads, even if they're wrong

there's literally 0 reason for you to no-vote

plz get your head back in the game and stop with this temper tantrum "I don't like accountatn's game so I won't play!" thing

Ok, I see your point, but I still won't vote for someone I believe to be town

VOTE: Penguin

[Accountant]

talk to me about how penguin is scum

[Icy]

Reason 1: Day 1 derphammer (his word)

I suspect everyone, that's why I'm asking questions. Did I strongly suspect he was scum? Well...did I put my vote down?

Reason 2: For four days he doged me with you, but never strongly suspected me? Pull his ISO and look for any scum hunting. He knew I was town but wanted the dirt on your hands.

Why am I your strongest townread?

Reason 3: Questions Shadow, but now knows it's likely Shadow will sheep him.

Shadowlancer isn't scum. Newbscum doesnt L-1 themselves early on the game.

Unless they have an IC coaching them pre-game not to worry about it.

This vote confirms PP as town.

I don't get why you're buddying me.

I'm getting a really bad feeling that Accountant may be scum leading the town.

TRUST

YOU GOTTA HAVE TRUST

(also, why would I bother switching off Icy if I was scum)

Can't trust an IC who is buddying me. You swapped off Icy because it makes you look more towny.

Huntress is the only scum I'm 100% absolutely sure of. Vote her or me, pick your side.

If Huntress flips town, I want everyone to lynch me tomorrow.

I'm actually wanting to do this as the inverse.

To be blunt, I don't think the setup is relevant right now.

Agreed, but I can't shake the feeling that you and Shadow are scumbuddies. More confident in you.

VOTE: Accountant

Reason 4: Votes you, (and puts you at L-1 buy the way...not that anyone cares) but I unvote you before Shadow gets a chance to sheep.

F it.

Gut says Accountant. My gut is usually wrong.

VOTE: Huntress

Reason 5: Swaps to Huntress for no apparent reason

I dropped my vote on you so Shadow couldn't derphammer you!

Or, if Huntress flips town, because you're scum buddies with Accountant.

Your support of him seems to hinge on him being so bad of a player that he is incapable of changing his play style from game to game?

Ouch. That hurts my feelings. I don't have a defined play style yet. I've only been here three months.

Icy is becoming a strong contender for scum #2.

Reason 6: Setting me up for lynch day 3 if he has trouble lynching you

[Accountant]

I've addressed my thoughts on the derphammer. Reason 2 is a legitimate point.

Reason 3: Questions Shadow, but now knows it's likely Shadow will sheep him.

Why is this scum PP? Questioning Shadow isn't scummy - knowing it's likely Shadow will sheep him isn't scummy(because I don't see him manipulatively capitalizing on that knowledge). Why is this something that scum PP would do and not town PP?

Reason 5: Swaps to Huntress for no apparent reason

He did give a reason - he no longer trusts his gut read, and goes with his logic, which says Huntress. As it well should.

[Icy]

I'm actually wanting to do this as the inverse.

I'm okay with this. Let me outline the rules of the Accountant Game.

The Accountant Game

TWO PLAYERS ENTER

ONE PLAYER LEAVE

IT'S TIME TO RUMBLE

Rules:

- You can only vote either

Accountant

or

Huntress

today. Anyone who doesn't vote one of these two options is either scum or a big weenie nya nya!
- Hint: you should vote

Huntress

.
- If you do end up voting

Accountant

, you

must

lynch

Huntress

after

Accountant

flips town. Everyone in this game has to look me in the metaphorical eyes and promise me this.

Huntress

cannot be town together with

Accountant

, because if that was the case mafia would sheep

Accountant

and then mislynch me the next day after

Huntress

flips town.
- No voters are a big weenie nya nya as well! If you're town, you shouldn't be afraid to stand firm and declare your side!

UNVOTE:
STOP TEARING MY MIND APART!!!!

I like the game.

Want to hear more from Huntress.

Oh, and I forgot this beauty

[Accountant]

why is that scum?

[PenguinPower]

Oh, and I forgot this beauty

What's wrong with that? The "game" makes the most logical sense at this point.

[PenguinPower]

Reason 6: Setting me up for lynch day 3 if he has trouble lynching you

This one is gold. Yes, I'm coming after you when Huntress flips scum. You've been actively defending her the entire game.

[Accountant]

265 and 305 seem to contradict each other

you imply that he's scum buds with me in 265 and scum buds with huntress 305

i understand you were flipping back on forth on who the scum was between me and huntress; does this imply you think icy is confirmed scum and you're trying to find his partner

[Shadowlancerx]

I still read accountant as town, but I don't trust my reads at this point. I don't trust anything at this point. And I have to know if I've been strung along this hard. A lynch on Accountant gives me closure, and it puts me at a point where I feel better about the game, because either
A. He comes up town, I feel that much stronger about Huntress.
B. He comes up scum and we are that much closer to winning.

I can understand the thought process here to a certain extent but if you feel strongly about Huntress and townread Accountant, you should just be lynching Huntress without the Accountant detour.

I've been following all game, never leading with my own thoughts, own ideas. Whatever happens today, my vote is about me needing to make a choice on my own behalf. I need to be able to make my own mistakes, not sheep someone else's.
At this point, the only thing I feel strongly about is wanted to avoid further manipulation, for good or for ill, and just be me, and maybe make a difference.

Reason 4: Votes you, (and puts you at L-1 buy the way...not that anyone cares) but I unvote you before Shadow gets a chance to sheep.

This really bothers me. Of all the things I have said this game, the one that should shine through is my caution over L-1 and lynches in general. I've pointed out other L-1s, and I have no interest in quickhammers or lynches without a claim and serious consideration/collaboration of everyone. I'll freely admit that I've been sheeping and not trusting myself (and I have every intent not to anymore), but to say you were truly worried about a quickhammer from me? Just no.

[Icy]

why is that scum?

My point of view, what scum wouldn't love a game pitting two townee's against each other.

I guess I just don't see your case on Huntress. Maybe I just don't want to see it.

Your defense of Penguin also seems solely based on his other games.

[Icy]

I still read accountant as town, but I don't trust my reads at this point. I don't trust anything at this point. And I have to know if I've been strung along this hard. A lynch on Accountant gives me closure, and it puts me at a point where I feel better about the game, because either
A. He comes up town, I feel that much stronger about Huntress.
B. He comes up scum and we are that much closer to winning.

I can understand the thought process here to a certain extent but if you feel strongly about Huntress and townread Accountant, you should just be lynching Huntress without the Accountant detour.

I've been following all game, never leading with my own thoughts, own ideas. Whatever happens today, my vote is about me needing to make a choice on my own behalf. I need to be able to make my own mistakes, not sheep someone else's.
At this point, the only thing I feel strongly about is wanted to avoid further manipulation, for good or for ill, and just be me, and maybe make a difference.

Reason 4: Votes you, (and puts you at L-1 buy the way...not that anyone cares) but I unvote you before Shadow gets a chance to sheep.

This really bothers me.

Of all the things I have said this game, the one that should shine through is my caution over L-1 and lynches in general. I've pointed out other L-1s, and I have no interest in quickhammers or lynches without a claim and serious consideration/collaboration of everyone

. I'll freely admit that I've been sheeping and not trusting myself (and I have every intent not to anymore), but to say you were truly worried about a quickhammer from me? Just no.

You are absolutely right, you have and I commend you for it.

[Accountant]

why is that scum?

My point of view, what scum wouldn't love a game pitting two townee's against each other.

I guess I just don't see your case on Huntress. Maybe I just don't want to see it.

Your defense of Penguin also seems solely based on his other games.

I love this game too. I caught scum early. What townie wouldn't love a game where they caught scum early?

My defense of Penguin is based on his temperament. Evidence of his temperament comes from his play in this game and others.

[PenguinPower]

265 and 305 seem to contradict each other

you imply that he's scum buds with me in 265 and scum buds with huntress 305

i understand you were flipping back on forth on who the scum was between me and huntress; does this imply you think icy is confirmed scum and you're trying to find his partner

I didn't ISO him until this morning, and I wasn't as confident in you as town at that point either (wasn't until my Huntress interaction last night). I still feel stronger about Huntress than I do Icy - but if she's scum, he would be first on my chopping block at this point.

[Huntress]

Huntress what is up with this post. First you say Blackvoid is most likely Accountants partner, then you list Accountant and I as most likely scum?

Care to explain that to me?

That list was based on individual reads and doesn't take account of possible partnerships. It's ok to look at connections but we need to lynch scum first then deal with the partner later. That way we don't get distracted. If I was going for someone who could be scum with both of my scum reads I would be voting BlackVoid, but I'd rather vote for someone I've got a definite scumread on first.

But I do think she was too quick to "like" the response from Penguin and move onto Icy, the hot wagon at the time.

Explain please. Why should I stay on a player I was no longer scumreading rather than move to another player who was looking more scummy?

The sudden switch to Accountant right after he accused her looked like scum pushing back against their accuser despite both pushing on Icy before.

I've already explained this. It was not the fact that he attacked me, but the

way

he did it. If I was going to go for him purely for voting me I would have done so after his vote in 66.

What's wrong with that? The "game" makes the most logical sense at this point.

It would only be logical if it was known for a fact that one of us was scum, like if there had been a claim and counter-claim. As it is there is a chance that we're both town so trying to restrict the voting to just the two of us doesn't make sense.

[BlackVoid]

Huntress, it's not that you changed your read on Penguin. It's more that I find your suspicions seem to follow what's convenient to you. First Penguin, then when the Icy wagon was going strong, you switch to Icy. Then when Accountant suspects you, you omgus him. It all feels orchestrated and convenient.

Also, no claim after intent = hammer. Looks more like you are stalling for time. You also logged on this morning after I gave intent and didn't post here.

VOTE: Huntress

[BlackVoid]

Based on the last page, I think Icy is actually a pretty good bet for a partner. I don't like how he was trying to ignore the Huntress push. If that's the case, I might have been wrong about Scarlet.

[PenguinPower]

Also, no claim after intent = hammer. Looks more like you are stalling for time. You also logged on this morning after I gave intent and didn't post here.

I'm not unhappy with this hammer - quite the opposite - and I like what you said below (above?) about Icy...I am just going to point this out for purposes...you never actually stated Intent to Hammer. You asked for a claim, which one could reasonably infer as intent, but you didn't say it.

Anyway. Yay! The game is over. Either we lynched scum, or scum goes tomorrow.

At this point it's probably Huntress/Icy or Accountant/BlackVoid. Most likely the former.

[PenguinPower]

Flip it!