Newbie 1744 - Game Over

[SpyreX]

Nothing on this page is. This is fairly common - votes do start discussion and it's a good way to propel things forward. Usually the only one fora normal game, in one form or another.

[copper223]

@Gideon / HS
I'd like to get every new player's first post and then we can get to your questions.

[TownCop]

VOTE: copper223
Because I usually use the username Copper, and thus you must be mafia

[JasonWazza]

That's hardly a reason.

It is very much my reason, do you have any better reason i could have made a vote before post 10?

If so, what would be the reasoning, and who would it be on?

If you want to argue that my reasoning on page 1 is bad, then by all means, come to me with a better reason to vote someone, and i will join you on that.

[JasonWazza]

@Gideon / HS
I'd like to get every new player's first post and then we can get to your questions.

Why do you feel the need to delay this game until people are posting?

UNVOTE: Spyrex
VOTE: Copper223

This is a real vote, not an RVS vote btw.

There is no reason to delay any sorts of reasons you may have this early.

[Huntress]

Vote Count 1.1

copper223 (2) - TownCop, JasonWazza
TownCop (1) - copper223
Kaladin (1) - Toto
SpyreX (1) - FrankJaeger

Not voting (4) - Gideon, Human Sequencer, Kaladin, SpyreX


With nine players alive, it takes five votes to lynch.

Deadline for Day One is Saturday, 15th October 8pm BST, (in (expired on 2016-10-15 20:00:00)).

[copper223]

There is no reason to delay any sorts of reasons you may have this early.

There sure is as some of the players don't appear to know what RVS is, making this phase more interesting.

How do you come to the conclusion that there was no possible reason for me wanting to wait?

[JasonWazza]

There is no reason to delay any sorts of reasons you may have this early.

There sure is as some of the players don't appear to know what RVS is, making this phase more interesting.

How do you come to the conclusion that there was no possible reason for me wanting to wait?

Please explain to me how new players not understanding what RVS is, actually catches scum.

Let alone why you think new players are going to be affected by this information that you are delaying.

[copper223]

How do you come to the conclusion that there was no possible reason for me wanting to wait?

One reply at a time.

[JasonWazza]

And now your just using a shitty question to avoid my question.

[copper223]

I hate playing with VI's or people that pretend to be, I suspect you pulled that statement out of your ass because

you

would not have delayed.

It's impossible for me to use a question that I asked

before

you followed up to avoid answering, unfortunately I haven't invented time travel yet.

Newbies posting without knowing about RVS may be revealing because it's a situation where the town and scum win-cons lead to different incentives on how to react, namely newbie townies are more likely to want to understand what is going on.

My reply was tied to the above because I was going to explain what RVS is to Gideon by linking the wiki page (hello IC).

[JasonWazza]

How the fuck does that make me a VI?

Your question is irrelevant to any discussion, and is a fucking strawman at best.

The fact that you think hiding RVS from the new players is actually a good thing is just terrible, it may not be alignment indicative, but it's terrible from a newbie game standard, we are in a newbie game, deciding your just going to hide what RVS is, isn't a good thing.

[copper223]

How the fuck does that make me a VI?

You are not the god of mafia come to earth, that means you don't get to decide what is relevant and what is not in order to read other players, at best you can say it's irrelevant for you and you suspect it might be in general if there is no good explanation, the fact you appear or pretend not to understand this distinction is what makes you a likely VI.

Your question is irrelevant to any discussion, and is a fucking strawman at best.

My question was very relevant, because I wanted to know if this is scum jumping at the first thing they see or if you're a VI (as per the above description).

The fact that you think hiding RVS from the new players is actually a good thing is just terrible, it may not be alignment indicative, but it's terrible from a newbie game standard, we are in a newbie game, deciding your just going to hide what RVS is, isn't a good thing.

You are straw-manning here, I did not nor do I endorse hiding RVS from new players, what I did say was I wanted to get their natural reactions in this instance before explaining it further.

RVS is done to get reads out of players, in this case it could better serve it's purpose by seeing how some newbies reacted without knowing that randomly voting is what is commonly done as an ice breaker here on mafiascum far better than me posting the wiki article, which would have produced a chorus of: ah that is what is going on, ok then... from both alignments.

[Human Sequencer]

@FrankJeager, I've played once in real life almost a decade ago and once on these forums inbetween now and then under a different account.

What made you decide to ask frank specifically?

Do you think frank is the type to reply as he sees a salient point?

I decided to ask Frank because he was the first person to post in thread, apart from our lovely moderator.

Jason, I don't think we would have gotten much information out of whatever he had to say, considering all he had to answer to was empty threats. He has a very valid point about seeing new players react to RVS. Even if it isn't very sportsmanly, nor newbie friendly, it isn't his job to explain such things (In fact our IC already did). Furthermore, there is no virtue in being sportsmanly when the scum certainly won't be.

Kaladin and TownCop, I want to see you in this thread.

[JasonWazza]

Your question is irrelevant to any discussion, and is a fucking strawman at best.

My question was very relevant, because I wanted to know if this is scum jumping at the first thing they see or if you're a VI (as per the above description).

Trying to find scum is either me being scum, or me being a VI.

Logic/10

[Toto]

I'm voting the IC until we get an IC post explaining basic mechanics. Only scum!IC would want to cause this kind of mayhem early game. (yes, I'm kind of joking, but seriously, would be nice)

VOTE: Spy

(also I just realized I have no idea what the VC is, so mod, please don't lynch IC if this is the lynching vote).

[SpyreX]

Toto, the links in the first post do a better overall job than i ever could hope to.
Now specific questions, general things, yes I'll be glad to help.

[SpyreX]

@FrankJeager, I've played once in real life almost a decade ago and once on these forums inbetween now and then under a different account.

What made you decide to ask frank specifically?

Do you think frank is the type to reply as he sees a salient point?

I decided to ask Frank because he was the first person to post in thread, apart from our lovely moderator.

Jason, I don't think we would have gotten much information out of whatever he had to say, considering all he had to answer to was empty threats. He has a very valid point about seeing new players react to RVS. Even if it isn't very sportsmanly, nor newbie friendly, it isn't his job to explain such things (In fact our IC already did). Furthermore, there is no virtue in being sportsmanly when the scum certainly won't be.

Kaladin and TownCop, I want to see you in this thread.

Hmm? Frank hadn't posted when you asked that question.

[Human Sequencer]

@Spyre
You're right. Sorry about that.
He was quite eager and curious in the signup thread, and I muddled that up into him posting early in my head.

[SpyreX]

Hmm. Let's just say for the moment I'll play nice but one of you scum would make me kill the other in rapid succession.

What are your thoughts on the back and forth this page?
What do you think of Gideon?

[Gideon]

I didn't mean to spark any conflicts over my own misunderstandings. I read the RVS page, but I still don't see why one would risk killing a cop or doctor like that. I think it's best to wait until there's more information to kill anyone.

[SpyreX]

It's all good I've got good feelings about you mr Gideon.

What do you take from the last page

[Gideon]

It's all good I've got good feelings about you mr Gideon.

What do you take from the last page

Definitely some suspicious behavior. I'll wait to make any accusations.

[Toto]

What's a VI?

[SpyreX]

Village idiot. The implication that they ate both town and playing poorly