Newbie 1744 - Game Over

[Toto]

Surprise! Not I!

Sure, I might be a little biased about your Day 1 lynch pick. BUT my real reason is your plan is perplexing/hectic.
I've read scum like to create confusion, so how about a plan that's a little easier to follow?

Just my two cents.

Why are you still voting for spy?

I don't have a reason to move my vote yet, and don't see a point to unvoting.

What's so complex about my plan? It has a day by day guide!

I understand your unwillingness to follow it, though. What do you suggest we do instead?

[Toto]

Aww you guys think I'm posting walls? *blush*

Dont give me so much credit.

Nope, wall and insults I could not follow were generated by copper and jason respectively. That's why I wanted to lynch Jason on day 3 for good measure.

Sorry for the wrong accusation.

[FrankJaeger]

Surprise! Not I!

Sure, I might be a little biased about your Day 1 lynch pick. BUT my real reason is your plan is perplexing/hectic.
I've read scum like to create confusion, so how about a plan that's a little easier to follow?

Just my two cents.

Why are you still voting for spy?

I don't have a reason to move my vote yet, and don't see a point to unvoting.

What's so complex about my plan? It has a day by day guide!

I understand your unwillingness to follow it, though. What do you suggest we do instead?

What are you waiting on?

The most confusing aspect is you having a plan that isn't lateral with your actions.

I suggest that we don't plan our votes 3 days out. This hands scum a buffet ticket.

I get the feeling you aren't that serious though. Like when you asked what a VI was. I'm leaning that this is coming from a scummy base. Also you asking about the VC and you not sure if someone was about to get lynched seems very contrived. Maybe not?

Are you scum?

[FrankJaeger]

Nope, wall and insults I could not follow were generated by copper and jason respectively. That's why I wanted to lynch Jason on day 3 for good measure.

Sorry for the wrong accusation.

Why would you lynch frank first?

Double suspicious of him because of the wall.

Help me understand this.

[Toto]

I highlighted the important part.

Nope, wall and insults I could not follow were generated by copper and jason respectively. That's why I wanted to lynch Jason on day 3 for good measure.

Sorry for the wrong accusation

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Why would you lynch frank first?

Double suspicious of him because of the wall.

Help me understand this.

[FrankJaeger]

haha if you say so.

VOTE: toto

[JasonWazza]

The fact that you think hiding RVS from the new players is actually a good thing is just terrible

Can you show me where Copper did this?

Newbies posting without knowing about RVS may be revealing because it's a situation where the town and scum win-cons lead to different incentives on how to react, namely newbie townies are more likely to want to understand what is going on.

[Toto]

Of course I'm not serious about the full plan! Are you crazy? I just wanted to get the ball rolling.

I was serious about VI. About the VC, I was reasonably sure it would not kill anyone, also someone told me telling that to the mod would work. Apparently it doesn't, so don't try this at home.

And since you asked, I'm not scum. Are you scum? (not sure if this is going to help us).

Look, if you are feeling flustered about my plan to lynch you today, we can always lynch HumanSequencer instead. What do you think?

VOTE: HumanSequencer

[FrankJaeger]

On a side note I just noticed Jason isn't new so I'm not so confused by Coppers VI accusation. (not saying I agree)

[FrankJaeger]

The fact that you think hiding RVS from the new players is actually a good thing is just terrible

Can you show me where Copper did this?

Newbies posting without knowing about RVS may be revealing because it's a situation where the town and scum win-cons lead to different incentives on how to react, namely newbie townies are more likely to want to understand what is going on.

Seems like he is just taking advantage of a situation, instead of actively masking something. Not trying to defend him, I just want to know your thinking.

[Gideon]

Otherwise on day two we lynch Gideon who is overly-defending Spy.

Oh, now I see the concern with my defense of Spy. Forgive me, this is my first game, I was confused why somebody was being lynched randomly. Now, it may be my first game, but I'm not stupid. If I were mafia the smart thing to do would be to distance myself from him. I'm not doing that, am I?

[Gideon]

I'm worried by Toto. He makes several accusations against Frank, but then doesn't vote him, and instead votes Human. Seems to me that he's making this up as he goes. Innocent men don't lie.

VOTE: Toto

[copper223]

@Frank
Nope, Wazza is a SE and not a newbie, plus newbies come in all shapes and forms, some have played mafia on other forums for more years than the actual regulars and can't be considered newbies let alone VI's by any stretch.

Also being a VI doesn't have much to do with experience.

The best strategy to win as town I know is to have a frank discussion with everyone and try to collaborate to reach an agreement on the player we want to flip while being rationally critical of each other's statements, Wazza there seemed just interested in scoring points and demonstrated from the start he had 0 interest in a back and forth, that's why I said in that context he could be behaving like a VI, or he is scum starting a bad tunnel.

Having tested him I think he is town.

At the moment the Kaladin slot is the likeliest mafia in the game, because newbies replacing out are statistically more likely to be scum.

[JasonWazza]

The best strategy to win as town I know is to have a frank discussion with everyone and try to collaborate to reach an agreement on the player we want to flip while being rationally critical of each other's statements, Wazza there seemed just interested in scoring points and demonstrated from the start he had 0 interest in a back and forth, that's why I said in that context he could be behaving like a VI, or he is scum starting a bad tunnel.

Having tested him I think he is town.

Why is it that i am a VI simply because i don't believe in "collaborating to reach an agreement"

I play as a headstrong player, that doesn't make me an idiot.

[copper223]

Dude that is my definition of VI (because players that behave like that often stick to ridiculous reads by conf-biasing because they get emotionally invested in the argument more than the read or become victims of their isolationist play-style later on and get mislynched at critical points in the game), and in the context of that discussion.

That said I am also not the god of mafia on earth, if you believe that your play-style is better then by all means ignore my accusation and go back to playing your way and showing why I am scum if that's what you still think.

[SpyreX]

Copper what makes you think Jason is town from your discussion?

[SpyreX]

Otherwise on day two we lynch Gideon who is overly-defending Spy.

Oh, now I see the concern with my defense of Spy. Forgive me, this is my first game, I was confused why somebody was being lynched randomly. Now, it may be my first game, but I'm not stupid. If I were mafia the smart thing to do would be to distance myself from him. I'm not doing that, am I?

What do you think you did to defend me, versus the behaviour itself?

[copper223]

Copper what makes you think Jason is town from your discussion?

He was consistent in his behavior.

When I asked him why he'd come to that conclusion (no delay makes sense, so you asking for a delay is scummy) there's a decent chance as scum that he would have had an explanation ready, ignoring me and going back to his initial point makes it likely that is what he really believes.

Also if he can consistently fake it I don't see why he'd choose that strategy as scum either, it doesn't make you popular and he likely wouldn't know how I would react to it.

[SpyreX]

Hmm. Fair enough.
This is why, of course, I'd shoot him versus the lynch.

[Toto]

I'm worried by Toto. He makes several accusations against Frank, but then doesn't vote him, and instead votes Human. Seems to me that he's making this up as he goes. Innocent men don't lie.

VOTE: Toto

What do you think about HumanSequencer lying about why he asked frank how long he's been playing. Innocents dont lie, right?

[Toto]

Otherwise on day two we lynch Gideon who is overly-defending Spy.

Oh, now I see the concern with my defense of Spy. Forgive me, this is my first game, I was confused why somebody was being lynched randomly. Now, it may be my first game, but I'm not stupid. If I were mafia the smart thing to do would be to distance myself from him. I'm not doing that, am I?

Unless this is your first game and you, not understanding how RVS works, were worried your scum partner got two votes for no reason, leaving you alone to deal with the rest of us. I can see how it could happen both ways (you!town or you!scum). If you are scum, it doesn't mean you are stupid, it just means you are new.

[Huntress]

Vote Count 1.3

copper223 (2) - TownCop, JasonWazza
Toto (2) - FrankJaeger, Gideon
TownCop (1) - copper223
Human Sequencer (1) - Toto

Not voting (3) - Human Sequencer, Kaladin, SpyreX


With nine players alive, it takes five votes to lynch.

Deadline for Day One is Saturday, 15th October 8pm BST, (in (expired on 2016-10-15 20:00:00)).

Notes

Looking for a replacement for Kaladin who did not pick up his role PM.

[TownCop]

Copper seems quite town, or it could be two mafia distancing although that's unlikely
For now,
UNVOTE: Copper223

[TownCop]

I'd like to see how Toto reacts under pressure
VOTE: Toto
L-2

[Toto]

You know. Telling me that defeats the whole purpose. Are you sure you just want to see how I react under pressure? or you just want to get me closer to a lynch?