Kids TV Show Characters Mafia - Dead thread (Some spoilers)

[Spiffeh]

I mean I feel like if you get mislynched you are at least partially responsible

That goes for getting vigged too like I was

[Spiffeh]

Ugh that was the first time I was ever vigged what a disgrace

Hopefully he actually is an SK so my ego can feel better

[BROseidon]

I mean I feel like if you get mislynched you are at least partially responsible

That goes for getting vigged too like I was

Unless you do something like fake a cop guilty, it's pretty useless to think of people as responsible for their own mislynches.

It's much more productive to think about why your model for "scum" was broken.

[BROseidon]

"Towning it up" is mostly arbitrary and bullshit.

As much as MoI can say my ISO was "obviously scum," I can come up with arbitrary reasons as to why it was "obviously town," and I'd be "correct" in the sense that I was literally town this game.

[Antihero]

I mean I feel like if you get mislynched you are at least partially responsible

i don't agree with that at all

but that's just my opinion. and you know what they say about those, they're like assholes. they stink and they get really itchy when you don't wipe well enough.

[Antihero]

I mean I feel like if you get mislynched you are at least partially responsible

and i suspect the reason you and other people believe this is so that you don't have to feel so bad after you mislynch someone

i also disagree with that

after mislynching someone, you should feel horrible. let that guilt suffocate your ego until you think you're a piece of shit who doesn't know the first thing about scumhunting. only then can you hope to improve.

[Spiffeh]

I think it's more a joint effort than entirely the fault of the mislyncher or the mislynched

And I always feel guilty when I mislynch someone even if I don't show it dw

I am a delicate little flower on the inside

[KittyMo]

Transcend has submitted two very stressed out PMs during N6, neither of which had an actual action submission

[BROseidon]

I think it's more a joint effort than entirely the fault of the mislyncher or the mislynched

And I always feel guilty when I mislynch someone even if I don't show it dw

I am a delicate little flower on the inside

Tbh it's mostly bad to think of "avoiding mislynches" as a useful skill because there's a certain percentage of mislynches you kind of need to eat for optimal play.

[Spiffeh]

That's fair

[Antihero]

Tbh it's mostly bad to think of "avoiding mislynches" as a useful skill because there's a certain percentage of mislynches you kind of need to eat for optimal play.

i don't really agree w/ that. but i do think it's bad to think of "avoiding mislynches" as a useful skill because unless you're doing something objectively awful (like faking guilties) or purposefully making an effort to be unlikable, it's largely out of your control.

[Antihero]

i'll stop being a horrible, pedantic douche and shut up and go away now

/bleh

[BROseidon]

lol

[Cephrir]

you're great and we love you

i do anyway

[Plotinus]

you're great and we love you

i do anyway

[DiamondSentinel]

I mean I feel like if you get mislynched you are at least partially responsible

and i suspect the reason you and other people believe this is so that you don't have to feel so bad after you mislynch someone

i also disagree with that

after mislynching someone, you should feel horrible. let that guilt suffocate your ego until you think you're a piece of shit who doesn't know the first thing about scumhunting. only then can you hope to improve.

This


If people would learn this (definitely myself included), then town would have a much higher win rate. (Instead of just happy little accidents like this one (I call this an accident because town wins based on the results of one guy).

[Aristophanes]

you're great and we love you

i do anyway

[Aristophanes]

Tbh it's mostly bad to think of "avoiding mislynches" as a useful skill because there's a certain percentage of mislynches you kind of need to eat for optimal play.

i don't really agree w/ that. but i do think it's bad to think of "avoiding mislynches" as a useful skill because unless you're doing something objectively awful (like faking guilties) or purposefully making an effort to be unlikable, it's largely out of your control.

You both have decent points here. I have seen some people avoid being mislynched to the detriment of the town. They either drag themselves along until they are a Lylo mislynch or distract the thread enough scum can hide easily. I have also gladly accepted that I must die at times in order to clean up the thread and concolidate people onto a proper path of victory. Sometimes the mislynch is the best thing that can happen to a game with no vig.

However, being mislynched is, a lot of the time, unavoidable. Whether a scum framing was done brilliantly, a guilty is faked or assumed, or you are v/la and nobody defends you, all of which I've seen, it is merely something that happens.

[MagnaofIllusion]

You both have decent points here. I have seen some people avoid being mislynched to the detriment of the town. They either drag themselves along until they are a Lylo mislynch or distract the thread enough scum can hide easily. I have also gladly accepted that I must die at times in order to clean up the thread and concolidate people onto a proper path of victory. Sometimes the mislynch is the best thing that can happen to a game with no vig.

This so much. While avoidance of a mislynch is an important skill in a Town player's toolkit there are times when it isn't necessarily good for the win chances for your faction.

[MagnaofIllusion]

As much as MoI can say my ISO was "obviously scum," I can come up with arbitrary reasons as to why it was "obviously town," and I'd be "correct" in the sense that I was literally town this game.

From an outside observer who isn't you (and thus access to your role PM) the fact that you were much more interested in pushing Town over any of the scum players makes it a reasonable conclusion you were scum. A wrong conclusion but reasonable.

I wish Zulfy had pressed hard yesterday he was absolutely on the correct track with Firebringer and asking Grib about my final comments on him.

[Gammagooey]

eh

I think that almost always both the lynchers and the lynchees (when its town on town) can work on their play and do better, unless one side or the other is being massively stubborn or there's very good setup reasons to lynch someone. (and even then adding in people's play to that equation can sometimes point pretty strongly towards the setup reason being not actually great) Sometimes you eat a lynch for being bad at the game for a few days but you'd be surprised at what you can pull out if you put enough effort into it.

If you're active enough and interacting with the lynchee/your lynchers and trying really hard to get at exactly why they think you're scum and giving all your thoughts on it, it can help a pretty ridiculous amount. Like, I've been lynched exactly twice as town here in 6 years of playing and both of those were for some variance of bullshit setup reasons (having my vig kill which I never even got to godamn use have the same flavor as the scum kill, and 3 people giving their vote to a player who got replaced and having the replacee decide that I was a good lynch with 4 hours left in the day while all the actual scum were being 'cleared' by people in neighborhoods with them because of literally retarded setup spec).
Granted, I only play in 1-2 games at a time and can tend to obsess over those a bit in important situations, but taking what other people are saying about you in good faith and just trying to hammer out everyone's thoughts is really really important.

[Gammagooey]

do think that for vig kills it's reaaally going to be the vig themselves who should be shouldering all the room for improvement there though, if you've got a vig tunnelling on you as town you're probably not going to be able to do shit about it.

[BROseidon]

From an outside observer who isn't you (and thus access to your role PM) the fact that you were much more interested in pushing Town over any of the scum players makes it a reasonable conclusion you were scum. A wrong conclusion but reasonable.

Perhaps that's because

I don't know who the scum are

Because I'm not omniscient.

The only lynches I "pushed" through were DS and Ceph. That's really not that many.

Someone being wrong, therefore scum is a really, really bad model for scumhunting.

[BROseidon]

Fuck that was 2 syllables off from accidental haiku.

[BROseidon]

Remove the word because from that post and it's a haiku.