Newbie 1744 - Game Over

[SmoothBlue]

In post 62, SpyreX wrote:
Frank if you could shoot someone right now, who and why


You first. Pinky promise Ill answer after

I'd like to know why you would shoot him first, though you unvoted him in #63 (only 6 posts earlier)

[SpyreX]

Post count in and of itself isn't very indicative. It's more about what they are doing with the gamestate and involvement in that sense.

Gideon, for me, is the one i would gamble the game on being town at this point.

[Toto]

Spy. What do you think of my wagon? If you assume Im town what chances are there is one scum in it?

[Human Sequencer]

I completely agree. Post count does not indicate alignment, and I'm also reading Gideon as neutral-light town.

But scum that don't post can't fuck up, and town usually (not always) don't lose anything from weighing in their thoughts, as long as they remain honest.

I don't want us to lynch anybody for not posting, I want to call more people into talking so we have more information to analyze.

[SpyreX]

We're in agreement. Seeing some kind of post count showoff was worth stopping at the start.

[Toto]

Gideon is really set on killing me. So I have a hard time admitting he does look town.

[SpyreX]

Don't get stuck in numbers. Although i do like your approach in looking at it

[Toto]

HS. Random question, why didn't you RVS on your first post?

[Gideon]

I think Spyre was quiet because he's hiding something. Now he's trying to associate himself with me so when he is revealed to be scum I'll look bad.

VOTE: SpyreX

Then again, this probably looks like a distancing scheme. Does this post incriminate me more than Spyre's?

[Gideon]

Actually, I think Spyre and Toto are the mafia. Toto accused Spyre a lot and he acts scummish. If you think about it, the way their posts mesh together sorta make sense for a scum read.

[Toto]

Gideon. I'm not mafia. Spy probably isn't either. You don't look self-incriminating. You look confused.

[SpyreX]

That's town confused through and through though. I'll give that for sure.

[Toto]

Guys, can we lynch towncop and copper and /in into the next game please?

[SmoothBlue]

Guys, can we lynch towncop and copper and /in into the next game please?

Why Copper? I'd ask why TownCop, but you've already established that.

[SmoothBlue]

Now he's trying to associate himself with me

How is he associating himself with you?

[SpyreX]

I'd actually agree with toto to a large degree about towncop.

[Gideon]

Alright, I concede. They're good. I understand the arguments against TownCop.

VOTE: TownCop

[SpyreX]

Which part at this point do you think would be why I'd vote there?

[SmoothBlue]

I'm confused right now?

What happened with TownCop other than he put Toto on L-2?

@Toto and Spy
What am I missing here?

[SmoothBlue]

Now he's trying to associate himself with me

Gideon?

How is he associating himself with you?

Alright, I concede. They're good. I understand the arguments against TownCop.

VOTE: TownCop

The only thing that I see is the possible statistics that the 3rd vote was done by TownCop, which Copper noted changes from time to time in games. What arguments are you three seeing that I'm not?

[SpyreX]

It's a combination of things.

Put on your scum hat for a moment. You want to make sure town get lynched. Usually that is going to require a vote. But,of course especially as a newer player, you're them forced into a fabrication time. You don't want to leave an unjustified vote so you have to give a reason. Ideally, something you can swing away from if necessary.

Something like for pressure.

And talking about the statistics, presuming knowledge, reading games, etc. You would see while in and of itself a vote is a vote the growth of a wagon starts to dictate scum will be on it.

[SmoothBlue]

Put on your scum hat for a moment. You want to make sure town get lynched. Usually that is going to require a vote. But,of course especially as a newer player, you're them forced into a fabrication time. You don't want to leave an unjustified vote so you have to give a reason. Ideally, something you can swing away from if necessary.

Something like for pressure.

And talking about the statistics, presuming knowledge, reading games, etc. You would see while in and of itself a vote is a vote the growth of a wagon starts to dictate scum will be on it.

I see your point, but it is almost the weakest point in this entire thread.

Placing people under the gun is a valuable asset as town. "If you don't claim, or defend yourself, you are on the brink of getting eliminated from the game". I think it was stated VERY clear a couple times in the thread that nobody wanted an early lynch. If this had come about nearing the deadline, I would look more into your reasoning, but this early into day 1.... TownCop even stated he was doing it to pressure Toto. We will need to put people on L-2, L-1 more often for information. Toto/Spy, not placing Mafia into these positions gives them free range and makes them much more dangerous. This makes you both look scummy in my eyes.

TownCop may be scum and was hoping some new townie would hammer Toto. Thus putting the pressure onto the new townie for hammering. Giving mafia two quick kills. I do honestly see where you are coming from but I feel it is way too early in the day for that play.

In my opinion, Toto did a brutal job of trying to defend himself and had votes flying everywhere and settled on TownCop. The fact that Spy/Gideon instantly switched their votes based on the above reasoning is quite ridiculous IMO.

[SpyreX]

I haven't moved my vote. Or even voted.

So big ol swing and miss.

[TownCop]

@Frank
I was the spearhead of the Toto pressure, and I am very against a Toto lynch right now.
I understand where you're coming from, and Toto screams nothing but scum to me. However, we have a whole eleven cocking days left before we're forced into a vote.

We need more Jason, Gideon, TownCop(!) and Spyrex. Spyrex has chosen to remain as an observer for now, which irks me, but there isn't much I can do about it. The others have no excuse for being so lax.

Jason, I understand you haven't been at your computer (to my knowledge) since I last asked, but what is your perspective on Toto?

Gideon and TownCop, what do you think of Spyrex's inactivity?

TownCop, do you think I'm scum or town? Is there a real life reason for you being so inactive or are you unsure of what to do in the game? Is it something else?

Vote: TownCop

until I am given a satisfactory answer for his meager five posts in thread.

@Toto
What was a bad thing for me to say? Please be more specific.

Imo I do have a gut feeling you're town. For a similar reason to me having a town read on copper.
But why the sudden vote without a good reason? It's only been a couple days of time to contribute (and I'm used to the many roles in EM instead of actually talking that much).
Spy's inactivity doesn't really say that much. Currently I have a null read on spy.

Gideon does seem quite scummy to me. Constantly changing votes without sufficient reason and just "agreeing" with HS (& spy) to place me at L-1 (hoping someone will quick lynch me). Although Toto is totally wrong with his read, I now think of him as a town who is just inaccurately reading people off meta (which is not that accurate)

UNVOTE: Toto
VOTE: Gideon

[SmoothBlue]

The fact that Spy/Gideon instantly switched their votes based on the above reasoning is quite ridiculous IMO.

I haven't moved my vote. Or even voted.

So big ol swing and miss.

The fact that Spy/Gideon instantly switched their votes/

opinions

based on the above reasoning is quite ridiculous IMO.