Newbie 1744 - Game Over

[TownCop]

@SB/Gideon
What is your read on Frank?
Any specific posts Gideon made about your vibe on Gideon, other than the exchange?
SB, what are your thoughts about Copper?
Spyre & Jason have been quite inactive. What do you think this might show?

@Gideon
I'd like to know your motive for the initial vote on me (originally placing me at L-1), other than jumping on the bw


@Toto
Post 122 actually looks quite towny to me, looks like a genuine towny surveying the situation. It was the posts later that gave me my scum read on SB.

[SpyreX]

See once again I've heard inactive. That's far from the truth. Passive for now, yes.

But who actually doesnt know where i stand

[Toto]

Post 122 actually looks quite towny to me, looks like a genuine towny surveying the situation. It was the posts later that gave me my scum read on SB.

Which in particular?

[copper223]

@TC
That's the whole point of HS's case though, he is saying 122 was crafted to make you town-read SB by him expressing what had in the mean-time become general consensus; I can see that as a possibility especially because SB did not use much of the information he collected to actually give a read on those players, he left most of it open ended with a TBD (to be determined) note based on future content at the end.

[TownCop]

@Toto
Post 171 was quite suspicious, along with 168-169 when you connect it to 171.

@Copper
I understand your point, but given that that was just after he had replaced in, I can sort of understand the post. A townie could just as easily make that post to summarize what had happened for their own understanding.

I agree with you about not providing the reads though, naturally a town who has gathered information would want to use the info they just gathered.

[Toto]

@Toto
Post 171 was quite suspicious, along with 168-169 when you connect it to 171.

Please elaborate. What is suspicious about it?

[Toto]

@mod: Jason has not posted in 2d+, are we replacing him?

[Huntress]

Vote Count 1.7

TownCop (2) - copper223, Gideon
Toto (1) - FrankJaeger
copper223 (1) - JasonWazza
Gideon (1) - TownCop
SmoothBlue (1) - Human Sequencer

Not voting (3) - SmoothBlue, SpyreX, Toto


With nine players alive, it takes five votes to lynch.

Deadline for Day One is Saturday, 15th October 8pm BST, (in (expired on 2016-10-15 20:00:00)).

Notes

JasonWazza has been prodded.

@mod: Jason has not posted in 2d+, are we replacing him?

He's only just due for a prod, then we wait 24 hours to see if he responds before thinking about replacement.

[Human Sequencer]

SmoothBlue
TownCop
Jason

Not an all-catching list of who I suspect, a list of who I wouldn't mind lynching today, at the moment.

Toto, I'm sorry for pressing so hard on you earlier. You've won me over quite well.

[Toto]

if you thought the arguments were good enough to move you from your Toto scum-read onto someone scum-reading him, then why weren't you going to hold your vote on TC until he posted more incriminating text? What did he post that made you lean more mafia?

Can you make sure this is correctly phrased? I don't understand this question.

[JasonWazza]

Copper feels town
Spy feels scum
SmoothBlue also feels scum.

UNVOTE: Copper223

VOTE: Smoothblue

(Also i do appologize for my inactivity in this game, it's a mixture of work, and not managing my time on here well.)

[copper223]

if you thought the arguments were good enough to move you from your Toto scum-read onto someone scum-reading him, then why weren't you going to hold your vote on TC until he posted more incriminating text? What did he post that made you lean more mafia?

Can you make sure this is correctly phrased? I don't understand this question.

Sure although I am asking Gideon.

What made Gideon change his mind so much that he went from strongly scum-reading Toto to scum-reading TownCop who was pushing Toto's wagon, especially when Gideon first said Toto's case on TownCop was good and voted TownCop because of it, but then in one of Gideon's next posts he said he was not going to keep his vote on TownCop but TownCop posted more scummy content.

I have a hard time following his thought process.

[Gideon]

My first vote on TC was a 'test', and his response was to throw accusations everywhere else to distract us. Scummish behavior.

[Toto]

@Gideon. It seems to me he is reacting the same way you are. Does that mean you are scum too?

[Toto]

@Spy. I'm losing my patience. You better get in here and start producing some content.

[SpyreX]

Lose it all you want.

Again, he yells to the stars, what content is it you're actually missing? Is content secret talk for a vote? Is it reads?

Because, as you can plainly tell, I'm clearly here.

[Gideon]

@Gideon. It seems to me he is reacting the same way you are. Does that mean you are scum too?

Was I ever accused? I thought I was pretty easily a town read.

[TownCop]

My first vote on TC was a 'test', and his response was to throw accusations everywhere else to distract us. Scummish behavior.

Since you claimed that you reaction tested me, what did it produce? You placed me at L-1, and then you did nothing. It seems like you wanted me to get quick hammered. Besides, the post you made while voting me seems like it has some sort of ulterior motive, townies do not simply suddenly change their view and say that they "agree - I understand your reasons they are all good" (paraphrased) without any reasoning in their own post, especially to place someone at L-1, when they had an opposite read prior.

What are the accusations that I made apart from you and SB? Certainly not "throwing accusations everywhere".
Things don't add up - Your play so far seems quite suspicious to me

[TownCop]

@Toto
Post 171 was quite suspicious, along with 168-169 when you connect it to 171.

Please elaborate. What is suspicious about it?

At that point, I was at L-1 (likely to be lynched). It seems to me that SB was defending me pretty hard and making accusations which had a weak base because he knew that I was town (assuming SB is scum), and after I flip town through the mislynch he would gain town cred.
He probably thought that at the time "town will think scum will allow the lynch of a townie, so I (assuming SB is scum) will stop it and town will think I'm a townie" - effectively double wifom.

[copper223]

VOTE: SB
Looks like the day is slowing down and although I am not as confident as I would like SB is a decent lynch.

[SpyreX]

I took tomorrow off. Its been enough passivity as activity seems to be dropping. I'll be posting in full.

@copper
I've got a good feeling about you. Reread the first 4 pages. Give me what you think about Gideon, frank, hs and Jason. I've got some opinions and concerns there and i want a fresh set of eyes.

[Toto]

@Spy. I'm sorry. I have a good feeling about you and I would like to hear your opinions on everyone else.

@TC. That's a dangerous use of WIFOM. In fact I feel the whole case on SB is based on WIFOM logic which is why I don't like it. In particular your analysis could be correct, but doesn't seem to add up with what he was saying in 119 (I was the one at L-1 here), and seems consistent with what he was saying about me already in post 122. So to me it feels more like a follow up of what he was saying already there, and since he joined the game. So there is actually four options here, from my vintage point:

scum!SB+town!TC: He foresaw you'd be attacked after my wagon was over and started defending you from the start. Seems unlikely to me.

scum!SB+scum!TC: He is chainsawing his way to defend you and you are accusing him for some reason. I'm not sure if this makes sense. But I guess is confusing enough it could work. Specially when you add more contrarian logic of you reading copper as town when he had been tunneling you since the beginning.

town!SB+scum!TC: SB seems he could fit a concerned townie that doesn't really understand the attack on you. His chainsaw attack to me and spy doesn't seem that aggressive. I find it odd that you town read copper and scum read SB though. The fact that copper is now voting SB seems to match this theory.

town!SB+town!TC: I can see this being a possibility too. But you are not making sense to me, and you seem pretty logical so far, so I'm having a hard time believing this.

From the above it seems you are more likely scum than town. The only reason I'm not voting you is that HS+Jason (and copper, but that is irrelevant) seem to agree on the SB case, so I'm going to let them pitch in here. Spy, I'd also like to know your opinion on this.

[Huntress]

FrankJaeger has been prodded.

[Human Sequencer]

Talking about wifom is fucking stupid. It just runs us around in circles, confuses us, and makes us angry at each other, which is exactly what scum wants.
I don't think the case on SB has anything to do with it. Post 122 looks as if it's artificially created and carefully crafted, considering what's a commonly held belief at the time, with some wishy washy non-committal threads tacked on to the end, which he has chosen not to pursue. Contrast that to others, who have just been mostly speaking their mind because

they have nothing to hide

.
Town doing this with wifom in mind makes no fucking sense. It only makes sense for a scum to do it, wifom or otherwise.

[copper223]

I've got a good feeling about you. Reread the first 4 pages. Give me what you think about Gideon, frank, hs and Jason. I've got some opinions and concerns there and i want a fresh set of eyes.

Noted Spyre, will read back after work.