Newbie 1744 - Game Over

[copper223]

The problem I have with you is your switch from the Toto wagon to the TC wagon.

[JasonWazza]

I'm also interested in his next post, cause his reaction when I brought up the quote makes me think he doesn't believe it's relevant in this context.

Oh no i 100% believe it and think it applies, the way you worded it just sounded really odd. (mostly because you left off the part of me saying to see the reactions.)

[FrankJaeger]

Hey guys sorry about being in and out. this hurricane is making things messy around here. Ill have about 2hours to post in a bit and i will give opinion on current state of game

[Human Sequencer]

Only scum get caught up in hurricanes...

[Gideon]

Only scum get caught up in hurricanes...

Caught!

[TownCop]

@Spyre
What I noticed is that TC is bringing up most of the points, slightly changing the flavor of the question, I did to ask Gideon about and it's having the opposite effect on me, especially after HS's post, makes me think TC is SB's buddy after all and he is looking at Gideon for the CW piggybacking on my suspicion.

The interesting point in the Jason discussion, other than highlighting once again that we seem to read the game in different ways, was him lumping together my argument about how you read the thread possibly being AI with your points about his play.

I'm also interested in his next post, cause his reaction when I brought up the quote makes me think he doesn't believe it's relevant in this context.

Most of the points I brought up were before you did (some you did not bring up at all) - for example, his vote change, his repeat use of accusations (which he still hasn't explained), his reasoning for his vote change.

I am am not piggybacking on your suspicion, I voted far earlier and besides I expressed my opinions about him before you did. I am making these points about Gideon to both respond to the points his making about me, and also to express my general suspicion about him.

[TownCop]

I noticed something new about post 262. Something small, but a slight scum tell nevertheless (which only adds to my suspicion). Gideon used the word "test" instead of reaction test, because I reaction tested and it didn't go as planned. He needed a excuse for the vote and their was no other suitable reason for a vote on me, so he had to claim a reaction test as well. A town should have no problem saying exactly the motive naturally, i.e with "reaction test", but as scum he probably feared a similar BW and to make it less suspicious he used the word "test".

[Gideon]

Erm... is a reply to that necessary?

[TownCop]

Not just that. Specifically that point is kind of trivial, but it only adds to my suspicion. Besides, you've ignored pretty much everything I've said and asked you about.

[copper223]

Yeah he did the same to me as well and that has the potential to look terrible if he is scum, so he probably doesn't care about how it looks and that is a town mindset (not one I appreciate but that's besides the point), either that or he is super cocky scum, a strategy which I have never seen a newbie try.

VOTE: SB

[Huntress]

Vote Count 1.10

SmoothBlue (4) - Human Sequencer, JasonWazza, Gideon, copper223 [L-1]
Gideon (1) - TownCop
Toto (1) - FrankJaeger

Not voting (3) - SmoothBlue, SpyreX, Toto


With nine players alive, it takes five votes to lynch.

Deadline for Day One is Saturday, 15th October 8pm BST, (in (expired on 2016-10-15 20:00:00)).

[Toto]

Yeah he did the same to me as well and that has the potential to look terrible if he is scum, so he probably doesn't care about how it looks and that is a town mindset (not one I appreciate but that's besides the point), either that or he is super cocky scum, a strategy which I have never seen a newbie try.

VOTE: SB

This sets a dangerous precedent. Not answering questions is not good for town. Cocky seems anti-town at the very least. Copper. You should know this. I don't like this post which is encouraging that behavior.

Gideon not answering questions leaves us with open suspicions on him which makes him a likely D2 target. It would be a shame if both SB and Gideon were town.

Gideon, I expect you to answer all open questions to you. SB, please answer yours too.

[copper223]

I am not endorsing his play Toto, but I can't also force a play-style either, so if I have to read what it means

in this instance

.

[copper223]

It means he is more likely town.

[Human Sequencer]

Smoothbluuz, we're waiting on a claim.

[Toto]

Alright. We have 6 days left. I think it's time to come up with a timeline for this.

SB, here is my

intent to hammer

you. I'm going to give you 24 hours to convince us you are not scum. After, if we are still not convinced, that I expect a claim within the next 24 hours. Make sure you read up on how to claim if you are town.

(anyone messing with the timeline above will be treated as scum)

[Toto]

(sorry for typos)

[Human Sequencer]

Why do we need 24 hours? Spyrex has already implied intent to hammer.

[Toto]

Why do we need 24 hours? Spyrex has already implied intent to hammer.

Spy said to wait for a claim. I'm giving out a timeline for the claim. I don't want to wait until the end of the 6 days, but I also feel it's fair to let the man speak up for himself.

We still have time left. I don't see why we need to rush it. How convinced are you he is scum?

[Human Sequencer]

I agree. We should wait for a claim.

I'm pretty convinced he's our best bet, and I'm 100% convinced his claim is our best option, along with a post trying to defend himself of what we've bought up in the past.
We have two people willing to hammer soon. I think a claim is warranted, especially considering that he's done nothing meaningful to defend himself in the past. Just flaked out and reacted to others.
I believe he's overwhelmed at this point and unable to respond.

[Gideon]

Smooth seems to be mostly posting in the evening EDT. We'll see.

[SpyreX]

To be fair he did say activity is lower on the weekends. And we lose nothing by waiting.
That also doesnt mean we need to stagnate.

I'll admit while I'm happy with this lynch, seeing 6 bodies willing including all three experienced bodies makes me worried some. This isn't a slam dunk wagon by any means and an early bus in any of these setups is a high risk maneuver.

So I'd start thinking about what should happen if this is a town flip.

[Toto]

Thats a good point Spy. I don't see what I can learn here if he flips town. Does that clear TC+copper? I don't think so.

[SpyreX]

There wont be any clears, of course, but it pays to think about now. This shouldn't be a d2 omg i cant believe it start if this is town.

Its been a long time since ive done newbies though so it could all be paranoia and this is just scum

[JasonWazza]

To be fair he did say activity is lower on the weekends. And we lose nothing by waiting.
That also doesnt mean we need to stagnate.

I'll admit while I'm happy with this lynch, seeing 6 bodies willing including all three experienced bodies makes me worried some. This isn't a slam dunk wagon by any means and an early bus in any of these setups is a high risk maneuver.

So I'd start thinking about what should happen if this is a town flip.

Why does all 3 experienced players being on this matter?