Newbie 1744 - Game Over

[TownCop]

I'd like to hear from Frank on his opinion about SB

[TownCop]

d the same to me as well and that has the potential to look terrible if he is scum, so he probably doesn't care about how it looks and that is a town mindset (not one I appreciate but that's besides the point), either that or he is super cocky scum, a strategy which I have never seen a newbie try.

It's dangerous to use WIFOM to decide on these factors. Not answering question is never good for town; it is also a sign of inexperienced scum hoping for town to just lynch themselves once a bw progresses. Seeing this and how far the SB bw has progressed (vs Gideon's play), I am more convinced of Gideon being scum than SB.

Frank also has the "potential to look terrible" for not posting enough content, but would you read him town and for similar reasons?

Granted, SB is suspicious for reasons I have prior mentioned, and I would like to see SB's responses. I'd say he's the second best lynch.

Either way, Gideon

must respond

to all questions, at least before anyone is lynched. It can only help town. It is not a matter of playstyle.

[Huntress]

Vote Count 1.11

SmoothBlue (4) - Human Sequencer, JasonWazza, Gideon, copper223 [L-1]
Gideon (1) - TownCop
Toto (1) - FrankJaeger

Not voting (3) - SmoothBlue, SpyreX, Toto


With nine players alive, it takes five votes to lynch.

Deadline for Day One is Saturday, 15th October 8pm BST, (in (expired on 2016-10-15 20:00:00)).

Notes

SmoothBlue has been prodded.

[copper223]

@TC
Every read is dangerous and WIFOM is almost always involved.

The important reads today are SB and those on his wagon, I'm convinced HS is town, I am pretty sure Spyre and Toto (both willing to hammer) are also town.

If SB flips scum you are his buddy and if I am talking to scum TC we both know it.

Of the other two (Gideon and Jason) I am not as certain, but I am leaning town enough on both that I am willing to go through with the lynch and see if I am reading the game correctly.

Regarding Spyre's concerns, that is where I would look for scum if SB were to flip town.

I think Frank's reason for not posting is too elaborate to be false so his absence from the thread is not alignment indicative, I have a fence town lean on him in isolation.

[SmoothBlue]

Congrats guys, way to shoot people in the foot first. I'm Town Tracker.

[JasonWazza]

UNVOTE: SmoothBlue

[copper223]

Congrats guys, way to shoot people in the foot first. I'm Town Tracker.

If there is a PR that is not compatible they should claim now, otherwise I am taking SB as confirmed.

[SmoothBlue]

Congrats guys, way to shoot people in the foot first. I'm Town Tracker.

My playstyle is a very defensive one, I usually prod at people until I get the reaction I'm looking for that differs from everything else they have said in the game.

It's hilarious that many of you were so convinced I was scum and were already actively trying to find my buddy, if I would have flipped scum.

[SpyreX]

To be very clear that would be cop or jailkeeper. And you absolutely should. Otherwise say nothing.

Im calling bs, but the normal procedure would be to do what were doing.

[copper223]

Or a tracker counter claim.

I am not commenting further until everyone has posted and SB's claim stands or there is a counter claim.

[SpyreX]

Same here.

[SmoothBlue]

I'll post more tonight. Currently very busy for the next 6-8 hours.

[Toto]

UNVOTE:

[Human Sequencer]

So smoothblue is lying, or we've got a doc, or we've got a one shot bulletproof.
I don't have an incompatible claim.

More insight will come soon.

[SpyreX]

Again if you are one of the above do not say anything. Only the lie

[Toto]

If you are scum you have to confirm SB is town. That is the rule I think.

[SmoothBlue]

I'll post more tonight. Currently very busy for the next 6-8 hours.

There won't be an incompatible claim.

Now that I have revealed, are there any other questions you would like me to answer, instead of answering questions from before the reveal?

[copper223]

@SB
Assuming the claim is legit, do you still feel like the TC wagon was questionable?

[Toto]

@SB
Assuming the claim is legit, do you still feel like the TC wagon was questionable?

This is a very odd question. Are you asking if he still feels that there is no case against TC or if he has changed his mind about the case we had back then?

[TownCop]

No incompatible claim.
It's likely that the claim is legit. I will assume so until Gideon & Frank post.

[copper223]

@Toto
If it is an honest impression I want to know more about what caused it and how he feels about the follow-up interaction he had with TC.

[Toto]

(disclaimer, still assuming no counter claim, please don't take this personally)

Put on your scum hat for a moment. You want to make sure town get lynched. Usually that is going to require a vote. But,of course especially as a newer player, you're them forced into a fabrication time. You don't want to leave an unjustified vote so you have to give a reason. Ideally, something you can swing away from if necessary.

Something like for pressure.

And talking about the statistics, presuming knowledge, reading games, etc. You would see while in and of itself a vote is a vote the growth of a wagon starts to dictate scum will be on it.

I see your point, but it is almost the weakest point in this entire thread.

Placing people under the gun is a valuable asset as town. "If you don't claim, or defend yourself, you are on the brink of getting eliminated from the game". I think it was stated VERY clear a couple times in the thread that nobody wanted an early lynch. If this had come about nearing the deadline, I would look more into your reasoning, but this early into day 1.... TownCop even stated he was doing it to pressure Toto. We will need to put people on L-2, L-1 more often for information. Toto/Spy, not placing Mafia into these positions gives them free range and makes them much more dangerous. This makes you both look scummy in my eyes.

TownCop may be scum and was hoping some new townie would hammer Toto. Thus putting the pressure onto the new townie for hammering. Giving mafia two quick kills. I do honestly see where you are coming from but I feel it is way too early in the day for that play.

In my opinion, Toto did a brutal job of trying to defend himself and had votes flying everywhere and settled on TownCop. The fact that Spy/Gideon instantly switched their votes based on the above reasoning is quite ridiculous IMO.

I guess I don't see the point of beating on a dead horse

[@TC:] I honestly thought you were wrongly accused

Why do you expect a different answer? If you are not expecting a different answer, why do you ask this question? It would seem you would like to doubtcast the original wagon. Why would you... oh yeah...

VOTE: Copper

[Human Sequencer]

I want to post more meaningful content, but it's tough with so few of the playerbase here.
We need more Jason and Frank. I understand they're busy and such.

[copper223]

Why do you expect a different answer? If you are not expecting a different answer, why do you ask this question? It would seem you would like to doubtcast the original wagon. Why would you... oh yeah...

I would like to doubt cast the origin of the wagon by bringing it up again so we can focus on it, and according to you, on my buddy?

Taking a deep breath because this is a newbie before continuing... your posting lately is fucking abysmal, think before you post.

[copper223]

The problem is SB was objectively scummy, it seems likely that he is the tracker based on the thread reactions.

In this case what HS thought was paralysis because he did not know how to react as scum was paralysis because he did not want to give away his PR.

Of those on the wagon I understand Jason and Gideon's switches the least, with the caveat that Jason's activity level makes it harder to follow his thought process anyway.

If it's Gideon, first off good for you for giving 0 shits as scum (although you won't survive to Lylo like this so I don't know what your back-up plan would be) then one of my town-reads is probably garbage.