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Post Post #525 (ISO) » Sun Oct 16, 2016 11:41 pm

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Vote Count 2.1


ChaosOmega (3) - Human Sequencer, copper223, SpyreX [L-1]

Not voting (4) - ChaosOmega, FrankJaeger, Toto, TownCop


With seven players alive, it takes four votes to lynch.

Deadline for Day Two is Sunday, 30th October 1pm GMT, (in (expired on 2016-10-30 13:00:00)).


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FrankJaeger picked up his last prod after the thread was locked so I'm giving him 48 hours from the start of the Day. If he hasn't posted by then I will look for a replacement.
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Post Post #526 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 12:07 am

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In post 505, copper223 wrote: @Toto
Your narrative doesn't hold because Spyre town-read Gideon before he was a possible mis-lynch, if anything he may have decided he did not need to switch reads and raise suspicion because someone and maybe even Gideon was going to get lynched anyway, the question still remains, why would you waste a strong town-read on someone that looked like a juicy mis-lynch, and that's why the case that the town-IC did not want to lynch what he consider newbie town makes more sense.
The problem with this is that there was no resistance to the Gideon lynch, so it was pretty much going to happen. Spyre (if he was scum) would have no reason to participate in the wagon, especially considering how suspicious a sudden read switch would seem. The point seems to be that he gains town cred if he stays out of the vote counts.

About how Spyre town-read Gideon before he was a possible mis-lynch - It doesn't tell you much: it could have been a coincidental town read which just happened to be the bw of D1. Besides, even after Gideon started acting suspiciously Spyre still did not suspect Gideon specifically at any points, which doesn't seem right (I know that Gideon flipped - but this is looking from the past). Obviously I still town read Spyre, but just not as strongly as others such as HS (I will explain my read on HS, copper and Jasomega soon when I get more time)
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Post Post #527 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 12:27 am

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Im starting to like towncop
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Post Post #528 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 12:28 am

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@TC
Where does your town read of Spyre come from then?
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Post Post #529 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 12:29 am

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In post 526, TownCop wrote:It doesn't tell you much: it could have been a coincidental town read which just happened to be the bw of D1
I'd like to highlight this.
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Post Post #530 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 1:24 am

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VOTE: Human Sequencer

Why am I your top scumread, HS?
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Post Post #531 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 2:52 am

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Spyrex and Copper have both displayed similar views. Why have you chosen to single me out?
Is it because you believe I'm the easiest to flip a wagon onto?

You're my top scumread because your contribution so far has been 'Hop onto the current wagon' and 'Lurk and selectively reply to somebody who has accused me'. Beyond that, a lot of Jason's behaviour was inconsistent and quite stupid, like how he would argue with Gideon over the reasoning for an RVS vote, and then jump on Copper for hiding RVS from the newbies, even though this is effectively what he was doing a few posts earlier. This didn't stick out to me before, but it does in isolation.

The fact that all you've done on day 2 is vote for me when you have a unique perspective you could be using to view and analyze a whole game's worth of content is indicative of scum for me, as well.
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Post Post #532 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:00 am

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In post 523, TownCop wrote:
In post 519, SpyreX wrote:Frank asking as scum is a smart move cause it feels genuine enough it gives me pause
Yes, but isn't that just like saying doing
anything towny
as scum is a smart move?
Is not that it's inherently townie. It's the fact it feels genuine. Which contextually would mean hes town.

Its just like gideon on those first pages.
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Post Post #533 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:01 am

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I've singled you out because your vote on my wagon is the scummiest.

You say you've accused me. Voting for me isn't an accusation. Can you show me anything you've posted as reasoning for why I'm scum? From my end, it looks like you're jumping on because there's suspicion for my slot.
In post 531, Human Sequencer wrote:Beyond that, a lot of Jason's behaviour was inconsistent and quite stupid, like how he would argue with Gideon over the reasoning for an RVS vote, and then jump on Copper for hiding RVS from the newbies, even though this is effectively what he was doing a few posts earlier. This didn't stick out to me before, but it does in isolation.
In post 389, Human Sequencer wrote:Jason doesn't look scummy to me. Just silly.
What changed exactly?
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Post Post #534 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:23 am

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When did I even say that I 'accused' you? I voted for you because I want to lynch you. I thought that was obvious. Where exactly did I say I accused you?

You'll see that by post 448 I began to change my mind, and by the end of D1 I had completely decided to swap over to your wagon. So 'Jumping on' is actually a statement you've pulled completely out of your ass, because I was the first to vote for you, and the second to suspect you after Spyre, and I'd displayed intention of voting for many posts earlier. It's not like I took a complete 180 like your post implies, I had him as 'Null read' before changing my mind.

"What changed exactly?"
Didn't I just tell you about how he was acting with RVS? This is a clear contradiction in motive. First he pressurizes Gideon for not knowing what RVS is, and then calls out Copper for withholding what RVS is. What changed was my perspective-- It's a lot easier to pick this out when you're reading over it for the fourth time.

As soon as I started considering the lynch for D2, you and Frank popped to the top of my mind, and when Spyre mentioned that he was ready to lynch you D2, I realized lynching you had some support, which is what made me decide to vote for you.

What's my reasoning? Process of elimination. Spyrex, Copper and Toto read town. I know I'm town. Towncop? I'm not entirely sure. Frank and you? Your slots have been consistently flaky all game.
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Post Post #535 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:59 am

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In post 534, Human Sequencer wrote:When did I even say that I 'accused' you? I voted for you because I want to lynch you. I thought that was obvious. Where exactly did I say I accused you?
In post 531, Human Sequencer wrote:You're my top scumread because your contribution so far has been 'Hop onto the current wagon' and 'Lurk and selectively reply to somebody who has accused me'.
In post 534, Human Sequencer wrote:You'll see that by post 448 I began to change my mind, and by the end of D1 I had completely decided to swap over to your wagon. So 'Jumping on' is actually a statement you've pulled completely out of your ass, because I was the first to vote for you, and the second to suspect you after Spyre, and I'd displayed intention of voting for many posts earlier. It's not like I took a complete 180 like your post implies, I had him as 'Null read' before changing my mind.
And you'll see that in , you posted zero reasoning for why you changed your mind. The Gideon lynch was a lock, so you were looking for your next mislynch? Yeah, you were the first to vote for me, but that doesn't mean shit, you got approval from Grand Emperor Spy in .

Jason didn't do anything to get townread, and my only post up to the start of Day 2 was a big case on the doctor who got lynched. I'm an easy mislynch here, I get it. Spy looks genuine with his push on me (even though I think it's weird he wants a fast day with Frank being a non-entity so far), and copper looks meh, but his D1 posting reads town to me. You look opportunistic to me. Yeah, you can say you set up voting for me for a while, and you went through the motions of it. To me, it reads like you're playing nice with Spy trying to stay out of his way.
In post 534, Human Sequencer wrote:Didn't I just tell you about how he was acting with RVS? This is a clear contradiction in motive. First he pressurizes Gideon for not knowing what RVS is, and then calls out Copper for withholding what RVS is. What changed was my perspective-- It's a lot easier to pick this out when you're reading over it for the fourth time.
Or it wasn't scummy before, but now I'm trying to get you lynched, so now it is.
In post 534, Human Sequencer wrote:As soon as I started considering the lynch for D2, you and Frank popped to the top of my mind, and when Spyre mentioned that he was ready to lynch you D2, I realized lynching you had some support, which is what made me decide to vote for you.
This reads as scum motive, looking for easy lynches over finding scum.
In post 534, Human Sequencer wrote:Frank and you? Your slots have been consistently flaky all game.
Not sure on Frank, but I don't post a lot as town or scum, so *shrug*.
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Post Post #536 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:02 am

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So what would make you think I'm taking a leader role this game, especially d1? If you were going to genuinely make those claims, copper was the one that was sold on hs first.
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Post Post #537 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:09 am

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I don't think you're taking a leader role this game (especially with your early posting D1); I'm more saying that with you being the IC and your join date, HS would think you're the strongest player and would want to avoid picking a fight with you as scum. Early on when HS was asking for more content (), they read almost conciliatory towards you. has them lining up behind you matching your reads, and their interactions with you in and reads like trying to avoid stepping on your toes.
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Post Post #538 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:14 am

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UNVOTE:

Let's clarify the Frank situation first. I'm interested in TC's follow up as well.

Regarding Jasonmega, I also disliked how quickly Jason unvoted once SB claimed, and that was after going after me for having doubts about him.
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Post Post #539 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:15 am

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Spyre's reply feels a lot more natural there in comparison.
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Post Post #540 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:15 am

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In post 530, ChaosOmega wrote:VOTE: Human Sequencer

Why am I your top scumread, HS?
Human Sequencer wrote:You're my top scumread because your contribution so far has been 'Hop onto the current wagon' and 'Lurk and selectively reply to somebody who has accused me'.
It was more than just an 'accusation', I was directly replying to your question.

If I was trying to stay out of Spyrex's way, lynching Gideon probably wasn't the wisest decision on my part, hey?

'Or it wasn't scummy before, but now I'm trying to get you lynched, so now it is.'
Well, is it scummy or not? If it is, then the fact that I'm bringing it up now should be irrelevant.

'This reads as scum motive, looking for easy lynches over finding scum.'
I found two people I believe are likely to be scum. Frank and you. You have support for a wagon. Therefore, I decided to vote you. Is this hard to follow?

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Post Post #541 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 8:06 am

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In post 527, Toto wrote:Im starting to like towncop
Dig deep on why because in getting a very inverse feeling.
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Post Post #542 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 11:34 am

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In post 541, SpyreX wrote:
In post 527, Toto wrote:Im starting to like towncop
Dig deep on why because in getting a very inverse feeling.
I just like his reasoning. I also like how he now seems to be more active. But maybe I just got my hopes up.

I can see why you don't like him, though, since he is making some negative, or at least non-positive comments about you.
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Post Post #543 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 1:27 pm

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It's not that. I really don't care much about that ever.

It's the fact that there's very little actual meat to those posts, especially in relation to today.
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Post Post #544 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 2:20 pm

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Pretty much, IIoA and doubt casting.
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Post Post #545 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:06 pm

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I'm here. For good now. I'm okay. Moderate yard damage.

Alot to interpret here. I've skimmed over things a bit, and I'm going to hash over the details to get a better sense of things. Anything I should speak on, aside from the obvious?

Few reads so far. Still dont like Tot. Never have.

I dont like the wagon being L- 1 right now. Could a couple of you give us a little more time? It's giving me anxiety.

Apparently Chaos will get my attention first. (After VCA)

Although, Im eager to dive into Town Cop's ISO. I dont have a feel about him yet, but his associations will be the most telling to me at this point in the game.

Is it terrible I dont have a strong town read?

Going to stick around for an hour or two. Will be catching up for the most part.
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Post Post #546 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:50 pm

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It's not L-1.
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Post Post #547 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 8:47 pm

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In post 546, Human Sequencer wrote:It's not L-1.
:oops:

Basically read through game twice. Gotta get some sleep. These are initial questions and feelings. Cleaner thoughts later.

Scum Lottery Picks!

(CT,Chaos)
(CT,Spy)
(Chaos,Tot)
maybe even (CT,Tot)


I like Coppers and Humans content, but their votes bother me. I'm too tired check, but I think Copper put two players to L-1
Copper and Human have been on
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Is it indicative of anything?
I don't see both of them being scum, but this stat is sending up a red flag.

Chaos has been on every wagon but CT's (and his own). Is this even more significant? I think it is. Him voting human is weird if he is scum.Though, he could be avoiding easier targets to create potential associations. Know what I mean?

Spy's D1 was... How would you describe it? Bland? Promises. Empty statements akin to "Do you notice what I notice", "Ill share later". I did see one decent follow up. Felt like he chimed in at the wrong times. IDK about spy. But
Next part is heavy. If both scums didn't vote alike, Spy is
100 percent
scum.
I don't like his tempo today. He hasn't directly done anything I can call scummy though.

If tot is scum I don't believe he could work 2 more town lynches alone. I'm aiming for larger game unless he does something obv. scummy.

I think we have a good chance of hitting scum with CT/Chaos today. I just feel a CT lynch is the better way to go.

Again, I'm tired and apologize if any numbers are wrong.

More later.
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Post Post #548 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 8:53 pm

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I don't like Chaos defense so far. I think HS is winning the debate.

How does one earn 'Best Town Performance' thing? Does that imply he sucks at being scum? Because he is not doing well.
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Post Post #549 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 9:21 pm

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@Frank: by CT you mean TC (TownCop) ?
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