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Post Post #825 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:30 am

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In post 824, Gamma Emerald wrote: I was trying to help push the discussion. How is that scum motivated?
I was concerned about him flipping his read on me and/or other people in the future, making his vote unreliable. That seems NAI to me.
He was already gone for 2 days and about to be prodded what discussion did you hope to get there that would have helped town?
Even if you are lurking you dont want to get prodded as scum.
So you think the reason to change their read on you is so bad?
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Post Post #826 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:33 am

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I wanted to make everyone discuss, not just him.
I do feel his read change is bad.
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Post Post #827 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:39 am

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In post 820, Gamma Emerald wrote:@Manuel: Alpaca was a pressure/reaction vote, Math is not a scumread, just someone I wouldn't trust with my life.
In post 822, Manuel87 wrote: I am not saying you scumread them i am saying you try to dismiss their reads as fragile because they changed their read on you to scum.
In post 711, Gamma Emerald wrote:Not quite ready to vote Math yet, but definitely scumreading them.
I take that back you did scumread Math as i was saying previously. Want to explain?
In post 826, Gamma Emerald wrote:I wanted to make everyone discuss, not just him.
I do feel his read change is bad.
Why not push on someone active or ask questions then?
Why is it so bad? Becaus of the reason they changed it? if yes what about their reasoning is bad?
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Post Post #828 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:40 am

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I said that after Dunn provided meta.
His read change is bad because it feels a bit opportunistic.
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Post Post #829 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:41 am

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In post 780, Manuel87 wrote:
In post 771, Donempire wrote:i dont know how you would tr me.
The reads are based on one quick read through and gut right now.
For your slot the way you argued with jarjar feels townie. You dont have to be useful to be a townread. You have to be useful to have an influence in the votes.

@Infinity: Whats so odd about them? Which ones exactly?
In post 782, MathBlade wrote:
In post 768, Manuel87 wrote:Okay i have read everything probably doing some isos tomorrow.

For now:
Mathblade: top townread
JarJar, Infinity, Dong: town
Trancend, ironavp, Creature: Null
scumlean: XnadrojX, Something_Smart
scum: Gamma Emerald, Zachstralkita

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Why? I don't see how this makes sense. It omits people for one thing. It makes me feel like you want to be my buddy rather than genuine reads.
In post 791, MathBlade wrote:It is aligned because it either shows made up reads or a reason to not read them or a minimal impact.

Because no one understands me except a few players when I am town. To see that big a townread at the start when most people consider me crazy I find suspect.

Going to bed now will post more tomorrow.
In post 776, Something_Smart wrote:Transcend wanted examples for my newbtown/newbscum thing. So based on my experience, newbscum tends to be very interesting in their appearance. This can manifest itself in different ways, but what Xnadroj is doing fits none of them.
Here are a few examples of newbscum that I've seen:

Something_Smart in Newbie 1663:
I basically tried to control the game here as much as I could. I set down, based on weak reasons, who I would and wouldn't be willing to lynch, and I experienced a ton of snap read changes without having good progressions.

Dewy in Newbie 1670:
Dewy played up her newb status by asking a lot of questions and also, like me, laid down a lot of reads with long but superficial analysis. Look also at Garrett in this game, who made some awkward posts and then defended himself at the expense of all else.

AlpacaAlpaca in Mini 1792:
Granted, I wasn't in this game. But I followed along and I once again see the trend of putting down a lot of reads and giving a lot of explanation but the explanation isn't very deep and they seem more interested in explaining what they think than in interpreting what people are saying.

What I've described is a standard newbscum situation: they know how to fake reads and how to back them up with evidence, but they're giving too much and not taking in enough. This is very different from what Dongempire described. When Xnadroj posts, he doesn't seem to have any goal in mind besides working out this huge puzzle. Experienced scum might play that way, but specifically among the two archetypes "newbscum" and "newbtown", he fits the "newbtown" one much better.

(I could attempt to describe newbtown, but it's a lot more nebulous and is closely connected with the concept of obvtown, a concept for which a definition would be self-contradictory. However I can still give some of the best examples I've experienced: Ilikebugs in New York 194, JaeReed in Newbie 1706, and Maverick1102 in Micro 615.)

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creature is a mixed bag but mostly bitter chocolate
ss is good
im getting a post up today

Spoilered the quote wall. Please bold mod communication next time, so it's easier to see.
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Post Post #830 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:41 am

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Yeah, Manuel is town.
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Post Post #831 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:42 am

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WTF is "walking on hot sands"
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Post Post #832 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:42 am

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Explain ira and ss reads? I'm not sure about those 2.
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Post Post #833 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:42 am

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wow thank you you fucked up my quote list for getting a post ready
@mod can you spoiler that?
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Post Post #834 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:42 am

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I think Dongempire is also town.
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Post Post #835 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:42 am

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Dunn and Zach are good scum candidates imo
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Post Post #836 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:49 am

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In post 529, Something_Smart wrote:this game is hurting my brain :roll:

MmHmm
In post 529, Something_Smart wrote:I don't understand why the vote in was not for MathBlade... that seemed like the direction Zach was going and the direction I likely would have gone as him after that exchange.
Why are you mentioning this? Do you think Zack is scummy for not voting math there?
In post 529, Something_Smart wrote:I really want to read into Creature's and Dong's hops on the wagon but I feel like they're both more playstyle than alignment indicative.
Explain please. This just sounds like you wanted to bring attention to the hops w/o actually commenting on em

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In post 524, Gamma Emerald wrote:I'm not getting any scumreads. Just a whole lotta bullshit.
then you aren't trying hard enough
WHAT???? Where are YOU'RE scumreads? You made ONE post w/ scumreads in your 2nd post of the game and then said that they were only weak meta reads.
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Post Post #837 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:01 am

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In post 828, Gamma Emerald wrote:I said that after Dunn provided meta.
His read change is bad because it feels a bit opportunistic.
So you really think there is a player that wouldnt change their mind on a townread after they post something they think is extremly scummy?
I reread the part and i dont see where it is opportunistic.

Also someone pointing out that your vote on AlpacaAlpaca is scummy is probably the only reaction you could get from that vote.
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Post Post #838 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:02 am

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In post 837, Manuel87 wrote:
In post 828, Gamma Emerald wrote:I said that after Dunn provided meta.
His read change is bad because it feels a bit opportunistic.
So you really think there is a player that wouldnt change their mind on a townread after they post something they think is extremly scummy?
I reread the part and i dont see where it is opportunistic.
I DIDN'T POST SHIT, BUT HE SCUMREAD ME!
Also someone pointing out that your vote on AlpacaAlpaca is scummy is probably the only reaction you could get from that vote.[/quote]
LOL really closedminded here.
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Post Post #839 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:02 am

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In post 835, Creature wrote:Dunn and Zach are good scum candidates imo

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Post Post #840 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:04 am

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You should bus Dunnstral.
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Post Post #841 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:06 am

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ERROR!

The term "bussing" would imply correlation akin to a partnership

It would also imply I have the potential to flip scum

So I'm afraid not.
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Post Post #842 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:07 am

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It's possible Dunn is not your partner.
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Post Post #843 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:09 am

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Creature wrote:You should bus Dunnstral.
Yeah this is honestly a scumclaim.

VOTE: Creature
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Post Post #844 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:09 am

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In post 843, Transcend wrote:
Creature wrote:You should bus Dunnstral.
Yeah this is honestly a scumclaim.

VOTE: Creature
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Post Post #845 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:09 am

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alpaca slot is town

still not happy with jarjar's progression through the game and i feel like i'm playing with someone entirely different.
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Post Post #846 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:10 am

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Yeah, should reconsider my townread on Transcend.
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Post Post #847 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:10 am

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In post 842, Creature wrote:It's possible Dunn is not your partner.

ERROR!

This would imply it is also possible for me to flip scum in the current gamestate
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Post Post #848 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:11 am

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Why should I townread you zach, apart from the fact that scum is pushing you
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Post Post #849 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:12 am

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If I don't flip scum, you're going to be forced to cancel your townread on Zach.
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