Newbie 1744 - Game Over

[Toto]

You missed a '?'

[copper223]

Gideon was your top scum read at the time he voted SB (before you did).

I list the players I am looking at, after having interacted with TC, a few posts before he votes (those are Frank, Gideon and SB), including a post where I say I understand HS's case on SB and he may well be right so no Gideon was not my main scum-read at the time.

[Toto]

Gideon was your top scum read at the time he voted SB (before you did).

I list the players I am looking at, after having interacted with TC, a few posts before he votes (those are Frank, Gideon and SB), including a post where I say I understand HS's case on SB and he may well be right so no Gideon was not my main scum-read at the time.

That may be all well and true. But I don't perceive that SB is your top scum read from that part of the thread. You seem more interested in Gideon at the time, from my 3rd person point of view. Your point that Jason voted SB because he was your top scum read is not completely valid, even if that was true in your mind.

[copper223]

I don't think he voted him because he was my top scum-read, I think it shows his stated reads changed drastically at that point in time.

[FrankJaeger]

If tot is scum I don't believe he could work 2 more town lynches alone. I'm aiming for larger game unless he does something obv. scummy.

Could you clarify this?

Toto could be scum. I dont think he can win the game alone so I am fine with going after bigger p.o.i

[Human Sequencer]

It read to me as a scumslip, but that makes sense to me.

[copper223]

@Frank
I doesn't make much sense to me though. If you're convinced Toto is scum (which you seem to strongly be given you haven't changed that early read after a catching up with a ton of content) and are uncertain or at least less sure about the rest of us, isn't he the natural choice?

[FrankJaeger]

Though, he could be avoiding easier targets to create potential associations. Know what I mean?

Please do explain.

Im stumped by his vote on human. If he is scum there are easier targets to go after.

Chaos could be avoiding bad players so town can misinterperet ba mislynch them later

Im not seeing a human/chaos team. Not a show to create distance. Maybe he wants it to look that way?

Was he just looking for town cred?

Brainstorming.

[FrankJaeger]

@Frank
I doesn't make much sense to me though. If you're convinced Toto is scum (which you seem to strongly be given you haven't changed that early read after a catching up with a ton of content) and are uncertain or at least less sure about the rest of us, isn't he the natural choice?

Chess, not checkers.

My problem is I cant gauge toto's newness. So i just have to assume he is what he says.

So if he's noobtown im making the right choice by backing off.

If he's noobscum I'de rather town deal with him alone, compared to his partner alone.

[Human Sequencer]

@Frank
You should read Toto is his other games on the site, it should help inform your decision greatly.

[Toto]

I'm noobtown

[FrankJaeger]

I am ashamed of my spelling. Im riding in a car on my phone.

[FrankJaeger]

CT- I am having trouble developing good town reads I admit. You have the highest chance of being scum right now, based on association and voting patterns.

I can talk gooder tonite when on pc

[FrankJaeger]

@Frank
You should read Toto is his other games on the site, it should help inform your decision greatly.

Meta is like body language. Its not a good representation if the person is aware its being inspected.
I could try to formulate some tendencies that might be helpful in spotty situations. Not worth the time/effort in my book.

I would need more than a months sample of games anyway.

[FrankJaeger]

My mistake about the bad math copper. It was very late at night

[FrankJaeger]

Spy, who is the other scum?
If chaos isn't scum who are your picks?

VOTE: TownCop

[SpyreX]

I was really trying to see how much would change and its not.much. copper would bother me a bit more on a scum.flip here but scum.has no reason to.come.out swinging with all the prs dead.

So if its scum here then... tc and frank probably? Would be my remainders.

Town here is a whole different mess. Then its really buckle down because im very, very doubtful id eat a bullet.

I'm betting heavy on this because otherwise back to the drawring board

[ChaosOmega]

If I was trying to stay out of Spyrex's way, lynching Gideon probably wasn't the wisest decision on my part, hey?

You still need mislynches if you're scum. There was support for it, and you specifically mention feeling that way despite Spy's defense of the slot.

'Or it wasn't scummy before, but now I'm trying to get you lynched, so now it is.'
Well, is it scummy or not? If it is, then the fact that I'm bringing it up now should be irrelevant.

To me, it looks like you found it not scummy when there wasn't support for my slot to be lynched, and scummy when there is. That's not irrelevant.

'This reads as scum motive, looking for easy lynches over finding scum.'
I found two people I believe are likely to be scum. Frank and you. You have support for a wagon. Therefore, I decided to vote you. Is this hard to follow?

"I found two people I believe are likely to be easy lynches. Frank and you. You have support for a wagon. Therefore, I decided to vote you. Is this hard to follow?"

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Frank, why is HS town? And can you go more into your Toto read?

TC, who is your top scumread right now?

Toto, what's the difference between copper's L-1 vote on Gideon following me when copper said he was suspicious of my slot and your hammer vote when you said you had a gut town read on Gideon and wouldn't hammer?

[Toto]

Toto, what's the difference between copper's L-1 vote on Gideon following me when copper said he was suspicious of my slot and your hammer vote when you said you had a gut town read on Gideon and wouldn't hammer?

Are you asking me what's the difference between these two situations or why I changed my mind and voted Gideon?

One difference is I didn't just say "seems solid" and proceeded to vote him.

I also asked him questions and grew more suspicious when he failed to answer convincingly to my well intended questions. When I made my mind to lynch him, even though I thought it was a lower chance than I would like it to turn scum, I also thought it was a good timing to end the day (I explained this earlier) on what seemed like a locked lynch, and the worst case scenario was going to be a VT to my knowledge.

Why do you think these are similar situations?

[FrankJaeger]

Chaos,
I cant call anyone town at this point.

Dont have anything to add to toto.

[copper223]

Okay, I am also pretty lost, which is unusual for me, I don't know if this is a bad game or I'm not into it or what the heck, the point I can relate to Frank and it makes me think he's genuine.

The problem is I have too many let's call them not scumreads now and the pairs left don't make much sense, I'm going to check some Chaos games.

[FrankJaeger]

I was really trying to see how much would change and its not.much. copper would bother me a bit more on a scum.flip here but scum.has no reason to.come.out swinging with all the prs dead.

So if its scum here then... tc and frank probably? Would be my remainders.

Town here is a whole different mess. Then its really buckle down because im very, very doubtful id eat a bullet.

I'm betting heavy on this because otherwise back to the drawring board

But what if he flips green.

[SpyreX]

Then it's back to the drawing board. I give myself doubts about almost everyone. Toto is probably at this moment in town my strongest town read

[Toto]

UNVOTE:

Let's clarify the Frank situation first. I'm interested in TC's follow up as well.

Are you satisfied with Franks situation and TC follow up yet?

[Huntress]

*bump*